Catholic cleric "giddy" for same sex "marriage"?

Is the debate on same-sex "marriage" encouraging a lot of clerics these days to finally come out of the closet?

Hmmm....

Let's take a look at this piece of the Union of Catholic Asian News Editor Fr. William Grimm about the legalization of same sex "marriage" in "Catholic" Ireland.

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Voters in Ireland have made that country the first to recognize same-sex marriage by a national referendum. Various other countries have granted the same recognition through legislation. [This priest will now tell you that the numbers matter for dogma and morals.]

A New York Times column by Frank Bruni titled "On same-sex marriage, Catholics are leading the way" pointed out, "In fact, countries with a Catholic majority or plurality make up half of those where two men or two women can now wed or will soon be able to."

In other countries like the United States where Catholics are a large part of the population, polls show that Catholics as a group are more open to same-sex marriage than their non-Catholic neighbors.

And yet, in all these countries, the Catholic hierarchy has strongly opposed moves to recognize such partnerships, while the laity have declined to follow their bishops.

Are we seeing the collapse of the Catholic Church? [Is this priest wishing it to happen?  Weird for someone to even think this will happen.  Ha!  Not even Hitler was able to accomplish it and he think sodomites and adulterers can accomplish it.]

If the bishops are the Church, [no they are not.  The bishops don't even say so.  But they are our shepherds and teachers. Get that!] then perhaps we are. But, if the Church is, in fact, the People of God, then we may be seeing the Church affirming something its leaders need to re-examine. [So if the majority decides to legalize murder....you know where this is heading.]

It would not be the first time. Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman pointed out that historically, when many bishops of the fourth century were in heresy over Arianism, it was the laity that kept the faith. The moral of that story for him was that it is essential to recognize that the laity are, along with Scripture, liturgy, the hierarchy and theologians, a valid authority in the Church. [Now this man here is either knows the real score about the comments of the Blessed cardinal or he is really oblivious about what the cardinal really meant. See my discussion below.]

Rather than the collapse of the Catholic Church, might we be living through a period when the hierarchy must defer to the experience, insight and faith of the mass of Catholics? After all, they, more than celibate clerics, have a clear idea of what might or might not threaten marriage. [Same reasoning we all heard about married life from the Episcopalians and Anglicans! Celibates can talk about the family and married life since they are not married.  If that were true, were did the priests come from?  Did they spring out of the ground?  Did a stork deliver them to the doors of the seminary?  They are humans right?  And they were born to a human family.  Is experience needed in order for a person to speak authoritatively about it?  Does a doctor specializing in cancer (an oncologist) need to be sick with cancer before he can practice his profession?  Does a priest need to have a wife before he can talk about keeping the a married couple's marriage holy?]

The Catholic bishops of Japan may be attuned to this. [Look at the number of Catholics in Japan! No, rather, look at the number of people believing in a deity in Japan!]

The mayor of Tokyo’s Shibuya Ward has announced that around the end of October the ward will begin issuing certificates recognizing same-sex partnerships. This follows the ward assembly’s passage last March of an ordinance that recognizes such partnerships as "equivalent to marriage". Other jurisdictions throughout Japan are expected to enact similar ordinances.

The Japanese bishops’ report for the next session of the Synod for the Family in October refers to the Shibuya ordinance and says, "Even though the Church cannot recognize same-sex marriages, there is no way that we can assume that a sexual orientation not chosen by someone is cause for their rejection by God."  [So the bishops of Japan are for same sex "marriage"?  So whatever happened to Fr. Grimm's hierarchy-laity dichotomy?  What would happen if the laity came out with a manifesto not supporting the sodomite union?]

In Ireland and elsewhere Catholics speak much as the Japanese do. They favor legalizing same-sex unions precisely because of what they have learned from the Church about the dignity of all people and caring for the marginalized. The starting point is the love of God that does not punish people for being who they are. [Man.  The Church has already taught us in the Catechism about this.  Here in the Philippines, the CBCP just came out with  another directive.  Nothing new.  It's just teaching what has been since the beginning.]

At the first session of the Synod last October, Ron and Mavis Pirola, a Catholic couple from Australia, addressed the meeting:

"Friends of ours were planning their Christmas family gathering when their gay son said he wanted to bring his partner home too. They fully believed in the Church’s teachings and they knew their grandchildren would see them welcome the son and his partner into the family. Their response could be summed up in three [sic] words, ‘He is our son.’” [Are we questioning the DNA of the son, or is the Church questioning the morality of the relationship?]

"What a model of evangelization for parishes as they respond to similar situations in their neighborhood! It is a practical example of what the Instrumentum laboris [working paper for the Synod] says concerning the Church’s teaching role and its main mission to let the world know of God’s love." [God's love does not mean we tolerate evil. Sodomy is evil. In fact, a city got burned because of that. God's love does not spoil.  That is why God is called Father because He is a parent like me. Unlike Fr. Grimm who is celibate......Ha!]

The laity are challenging the leaders of the Church to find ways to affirm the sacramentality of matrimony [affirm? Follow Jesus!] while recognizing that marriage is a broader and more varied reality with legal, social, cultural and anthropological aspects that may differ from the practice of the Church. [Modernism alert folks!  This is how modernist heretics work. They want you to accept that dogma and doctrine and morals need to keep up with the times. Truth needs to be updated and made relevant.  Heresy is written all over it.  How? Let's use his logic.  If we go to a society where being married to an animal, or a sibling, or an inanimate object has become the "varied reality with legal, social, cultural and anthropological aspects that may differ from the practice of the Church", this priest, this so called Roman Catholic priest, this so called Priest of Jesus Christ, wants you to accept that we need to change what JESUS CHRIST himself has taught that marriage is between a man and a woman and that what God has joined together, no man can separate.  This priest is teaching another Gospel.]

Sacramentality is not threatened by same-sex marriages. The sacrament of matrimony remains something for the Church to administer according to its understanding of that type of marriage called sacramental. [Ughm....marriage is a sacrament and not a sacramental.  Does this priest really know his religion?]

And after all, homosexuals are only about five percent of the population. It is ridiculous to claim, as the Vatican secretary of state Cardinal Pietro Parolin did, that because some of that five percent can have legally recognized relationships it is "a defeat for humanity".  [Yeah.  Five percent is exerting pressure to the rest of the 95% of the world.  How could it not be a defeat for humanity?]

The Japanese bishops are calmer, kinder and more correct in saying, "At the least, the Church should convey the message that households that have been set up by men and women with a homosexual orientation are also blessed by God."  [How?  Sodomy is blessed?  Ugh!]


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Now let me quote Blessed John Henry Newman about the role of the laity during the Arian heresy:

 "Here, of course, I must explain: -- in saying this, then, undoubtedly I am not denying that the great body of the Bishops were in their internal belief orthodox; nor that there were numbers of clergy who stood by the laity, and acted as their centres and guides; nor that the laity actually received their faith, in the first instance, from the Bishops and clergy; nor that some portions of the laity were ignorant, and other portions at length corrupted by the Arian teachers, who got possession of the sees and ordained an heretical clergy; -- but I mean still, that in that time of immense confusion the divine dogma of our Lord's divinity was proclaimed, enforced, maintained, and (humanly speaking) preserved, far more by the 'Ecclesia docta' than by the 'Ecclesia docens;' that the body of the episcopate was unfaithful to its commission, while the body of the laity was faithful to its baptism; that at one time the Pope, at other times the patriarchal, metropolitan, and other great sees, at other times general councils, said what they should not have said, or did what obscured and compromised revealed truth; while, on the other hand, it was the Christian people who, under Providence, were the ecclesiastical strength of Athanasius, Hilary, Eusebius of Vercellae, and other great solitary confessors, who would have failed without them.  I see, then, in the Arian history a palmary example of a state of the Church, during which, in order to know the tradition of the Apostles, we must have recourse to the faithful...." [my emphasis]
                                        From "On Consulting the Faithful in Matters of Doctrine"  

From this quotation we can clearly see that Blessed Newman did not refer to the laity as "authority" like how this priest was implying.  Rather, it was through the support of the laity to the guardians of orthodoxy led by St. Athanasius that the Arian heresy saw its doom.

We are of the same situation right now.

It is the few brave cardinals, bishops, priests and religious who need the support of the laity to stand up against a few hijackers of the Synod of the Family.

It is not even an ecumenical council!  It is a synod, a consultation.  And they want to redefine what the Church has taught ever since it was founded by her Divine Founder.

This is what Fr. Grimm says "varied reality with legal, social, cultural and anthropological aspects that may differ from the practice of the Church".  This is what modernist heretics say as the updating of dogma and "keeping up with the times."

The sad news today is that we see the wolves inside the pen with the sheep.  They are not anymore in sheepskin. They have shed the pretenses and proudly proclaimed that they call themselves Catholic but profess a faith different from those that came from the Apostles.

The best way to combat these wolves are:

1.  Prayer - for their conversion or if they are obstinate, for God's mercy and justice to befell on them.
2.  Boycott - do not support their endeavors. Don't visit their websites, don't donate to their causes.
3.  Expose - share to the whole world who these men and women are so we others will stay away from them.


PS:  Makes you realize that we really have a lot of active homosexuals in the clergy no?  Right Fr. Grimm?

Dominican Priest openly supports and promotes Homosexual lifestyle

Did your eyes read that right?

Yes, that is true.

Watch this shocking video.

And did my eyes read this right?

A Dominican priest openly supports and promotes homosexual lifestyle.

And I thought someone said that Dominicans are known for their obedience to Church authority and orthodoxy.

Guess someone conveniently forgot these Dominicans in the history of heresy and dissent, no?

Giordano Bruno

Edward Schillebeeckx

Episcopalian "priest" Matthew Fox

Basa basa pag may time, ha?

Nakakahiya.

Meanwhile, pedophile homsexual clerics are destroying the Church from within.

Pope calls for stricter and better seminary training

This is the photo of the meeting of religious superiors.

VATICAN CITY -- Pope Francis has warned that priests can become "little monsters" if they aren't trained properly as seminarians, saying their time studying must be used to mold their hearts as well as their minds.  [We'll learn later on what this training means.]

Francis also warned against accepting men for the priesthood who may have been implicated in sexual abuse or other problems, saying the protection of the Catholic faithful is most important.  [Unfortunately, there is no system in place to check on these men.]

The pontiff made the comments Nov. 29 during a closed-door meeting of 120 superiors of religious orders who gathered at the Vatican for their regular assembly. On Friday, the Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica provided a report of the three-hour, informal question and answer session. The Vatican never provided a transcript of the meeting.  [If it is the Jesuit paper that published the Jesuit pope's comments, then we can trust it right?]

The magazine, which interviewed Francis last year, quoted the first Jesuit pope as telling the superiors he wants them to "wake up the world" with their work, particularly with the poor.

"Truly to understand reality we need to move away from the central position of calmness and peacefulness and direct ourselves to the peripheral areas," he said.  [FYI, this is what most liberation theologians call the evangelization of the margins.]

Francis, who headed the Jesuits' novice training program in his native Argentina in the 1970s, also warned the superiors of some of the failings of seminary training, or "formation," such as when would-be priests merely "grit their teeth, try not to make mistakes, follow the rules smiling a lot, just waiting for the day when they are told 'Good, you have finished formation."  [OH!  This is the advice we tell traditionalist seminarians who might be targetted by their superiors!  Ha!]

"This is hypocrisy that is the result of clericalism, which is one of the worst evils," Francis was quoted as saying, returning to the issue of clericalism — or a certain cronyism and careerism among the men of the cloth — that he has frequently criticized.  [I know one!  Newly ordained!  His ordination picture splashed over the archdiocese's website...suddenly made personal secretary...acts as IF he is already the archbishop...you know this one do you?  RM]

The training of priests, he said, must be a "work of art, not a police action."  [It must be the work of God.  Christ was the first formator and he formed and trained the apostles.]

"We must form their hearts. Otherwise we are creating little monsters. And then these little monsters mold the people of God. This really gives me goose bumps," he was quoted as saying.

Francis has spoken on several occasions about life in religious orders — the good and the bad — and hasn't shied from offering his own personal experiences when speaking with groups of nuns and priests. The former Jorge Mario Bergoglio was only 36 when he was made superior of the Jesuits in Argentina in 1973, during a particularly turbulent time for the order in general and Argentina in particular.  [Ah!!!  The turbulent 70s.  How liberation theology screwed the Church!  Very vivid memories of these years.  Imagine attending a Mass that looks more like a gathering of the Communists rather than a Catholic Mass.  Complete with red vestments even if the Mass was not for a martyr or the Holy Spirit, with one act plays for a sermon about tortures, justice, blah blah blah...Ah! Glad those days are over....are they?]

In his remarks to the superiors, Francis flagged as a risk the "huge problem" of accepting into the seminary someone who has already been asked to leave another religious institute, and cited Pope Benedict XVI's tough line on priests who commit sexual abuse.  [Hmmm...I know a lot of these 'men'.  Even a priest!]

"I am not speaking about people who recognize that they are sinners: we are all sinners, but we are all not corrupt," Francis said. "Sinners are accepted, but not people who are corrupt."  [And this includes....never mind.]

The Civilta Cattolica report didn't elaborate on Francis' comments, or on how "huge" a problem this was. The priestly sexual abuse scandal has mostly concerned abusive priests who were transferred from parish to parish, not problem seminarians who were kicked out of one institute only to be picked up again by another.  [because they are protected by these problem priests.  Ever heard of the Gay Lobby in seminaries or of the Married Clergy lobby in the Chancery?  Yes.  They exist.  Good thing Carlos Celdran did not get hold of this one.  Imagine what she held.  Ha!]

He told the superiors that conflicts within religious communities are inevitable but that problems between religious orders and bishops in dioceses where orders operate must be worked out. Francis tasked the Vatican's department for religious congregations to revise a document on the relationship between religious communities and dioceses.  [Will the bishop of Cubao be able to do something against Ateneo and MST?  ABANGAN!!!]

The interview was released on the same day that Francis celebrated Mass with some 350 of his Jesuit colleagues at the main Jesuit church in Rome to celebrate his recent decree naming the order's first recruit, Pierre Favre, a saint. During his homily, Francis told his fellow Jesuits to use mercy, not morality, when they preach.  [Not morality?  Poor Fr. Pavone...Poor Archbishop Oscar Cruz... Poor Archbishop Soc Villegas...  Christ preached about the morality of marriage.  So when this Gospel comes up on a given Sunday, what would the Jesuits say?  "Let's go to this wonderful island resort!"]

"The temptation, that maybe many of us experience, and many other people have comes to mind; that of linking the proclamation of the Gospel with inquisitorial beatings of condemnation. No, the Gospel is preached gently, fraternally, with love," he said.


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I agree with the pope that the Gospel must be preached gently, fraternally, with love, but we must also remember that Christ reminded the Apostles that they must "shake off the dust from their sandals" for those who would refuse to hear the Gospel.

Mercy is shown to the merciful and to those who desire them.  Justice is meted out to the unmerciful.

And that includes those who hop from one seminary to the next.

And careerists of the cloth...

I have tons of stories about monsignori and how they got their titles...

But that is another story.

What we are after is how will the episcopal conferences and individual bishops implement the reforms in seminary training called for by the Holy Father.

Will the CBCP have a database of those who entered the seminary?

Will the CBCP have a database of problem clergy?

Will the CBCP even seriously consider the recommendations of the Holy Father?

He is not Time Man of the Year for nothing, no?

Look at how the pope looked like before going to Rio for WYD

he carried his own bag.

My guess?

To keep it away from the GAY LOBBYISTS!

Ha!

Can't be too trusting these days.

Pope Francis' first appointment blunder

AFP - The Vatican's "gay lobby" was back in the headlines on Friday after the alleged exposure of a homosexual prelate appointed by Pope Francis to a key position at the Vatican bank.

The Italian weekly L'Espresso said prelate Battista Ricca had gay relationships during his time at the Vatican embassy of Montevideo in Uruguay as well as an affair with a Swiss guard which ultimately saw him sent back to Rome in disgrace.

Vatican expert for L'Espresso Sandro Magister said Ricca provided lodgings and a pay check for captain Patrick Haari in 1999 and was once left badly beaten after trawling notorious gay hangouts before his behaviour saw him transferred out of Montevideo in 2000.

An internal bid to protect him and cover up the scandal meant Francis apparently had no idea about Ricca's past before he appointed him as his personal representative at the scandal-hit bank this year. [Just like how Pope Benedict had no idea about the liberal theological background of one young bishop who did absolutely nothing in a small diocese but he eventually got the plum post and was even made a cardinal!]

Ricca went on to hold several prestigious positions in Rome, including the director of the Santa Martha residence where the pope lives.

Magister said the wiping of Ricca's records was an example of a "gay lobby" at work in the Vatican.

Vatican spokesman Frederico Lombardi brushed off the story as "not credible" but the magazine insisted the allegations were confirmed by primary sources. It said "numerous bishops, priests, religious and laity" in Uruguay had testified against Ricca.  [The always oblivious Lombardi!  Ha!]

Religious watchers said the leaks about Ricca's past may be an internal attempt to block the prelate from carrying out reforms.  [What reforms?!?!?!]

In June, Francis admitted the existence of a "gay lobby" inside the Vatican's secretive administration, the Roman Curia.

"In the Curia, there are truly some saints, but there is also a current of corruption... There is talk of a 'gay lobby' and it's true, it exists," he was quoted as having said during an audience with CLAR (the Latin American and Caribbean Confederation of Religious Men and Women).

The admission followed Italian media reports in February which claimed that a secret report by cardinals investigating leaks from within the Vatican included allegations of corruption and blackmail attempts against gay clergymen, and on the other hand, favouritism based on gay relationships.

If the allegations are proven to be true, it would be a blow to Francis's attempts to clean up the scandal-hit Vatican.


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You really can't trust anyone that easily these days.

Imagine, the sistahs are running the house!

And expect the anti-Catholic media to gang up on this news and then insist that EVERYONE in the clergy is gay.

"Walang kinikilingan, walang pinoprotektahan..."

Pfft!

Gay Lobby in Rome

There was even a supposed website about the gay clergy lobbyists within the Vatican some of some occupy some of the highest positions.

What's my take on this?

Get the evidence.

Once proven, laicize immediately.

If committed horrible sex abuse crimes, persecute.

PERIOD.

Don't ask for the website.

Don't ask me for names.

Pray I don't get them in the act or Lord knows what I'll do to them.

I might forget them that they are priests.

Lord have mercy on me and on priests who commit these horrible crimes and sins.

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