And Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope of Christian Unity.
His visit to Westminster Abbey is just that.
Note that he is wearing the stole of Pope Leo XIII. Do you know Apostolicae curae?
Well, you should read it. :)
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Saturday, June 23, 2012
"That they may be one!"
The prayer of Jesus in John 17:21 is the TRUE MEANING of ecumenism.
And Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope of Christian Unity.
His visit to Westminster Abbey is just that.
Note that he is wearing the stole of Pope Leo XIII. Do you know Apostolicae curae?
Well, you should read it. :)
And Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope of Christian Unity.
His visit to Westminster Abbey is just that.
Note that he is wearing the stole of Pope Leo XIII. Do you know Apostolicae curae?
Well, you should read it. :)
Friday, June 8, 2012
Because Vatican II is not a Dogmatic Council!
From the Catholic Herald
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The leader of the traditionalist Society of St Pius X has said talks with the Vatican demonstrate that “Rome no longer makes total acceptance” of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council a condition for his group’s full reconciliation with the Church.
Accepting the Council’s teaching is no longer “a prerequisite for the canonical solution” of the status of the society, according to Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the SSPX. [Which keeps the heads of the liberals on a tailspin! hahaha]
In an interview published today on the society’s news site, www.dici.org, Bishop Fellay said it was the Vatican that approached the society, and not the society that went to the Vatican, asking to begin the talks. [Because that is what a true shepherd does. He goes out of his way to bring back the lost sheep. As Fr. Z calls him, Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope of Christian Unity! Unlike other bishops who ostracize their own flock just because they either: show devotion to the Latin Tridentine Mass or would want Communion on the tongue either standing or kneeling, or support traditional groups like Opus Dei]
“So the attitude of the official Church is what changed; we did not,” he said. “We were not the ones who asked for an agreement; the Pope is the one who wants to recognise us.” [Because the Pope has shown his genuine concern for the group right back in 1988 when he, then Cardinal-Prefect of the CDF was in direct contact with the Society's founder itself.]
In 2009, Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications that had been incurred by Bishop Fellay and other SSPX bishops when they were ordained without papal permission 11 years earlier. [If the three other bishops of the SSPX continue their "more-Catholic-than-thou" attitude, expect that excommunication to get back at them!] Also in 2009, the Pope established a Vatican committee to hold doctrinal talks with society representatives.
In September 2011, the Vatican gave Bishop Fellay a “doctrinal preamble” outlining “some doctrinal principles and criteria for the interpretation of Catholic doctrine necessary to guarantee fidelity” to the formal teaching of the Church. Neither the Vatican nor the SSPX has made the text public, but the Vatican said it leaves room for “legitimate discussion” about “individual expressions or formulations present in the documents of the Second Vatican Council and the successive magisterium” of the Church.
Bishop Fellay submitted his first response to the document in March, but the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, with the approval of Pope Benedict, defined it as “insufficient”. The bishop gave the Vatican his second response in April and, as of June 7, it was still under study at the Vatican.
In the interview on the SSPX website, Bishop Fellay said: “We are still not in agreement doctrinally, and yet the Pope wants to recognise us. Why? The answer is right in front of us: there are terribly important problems in the Church today.” [Hey! The theologians at Belgium and here at MST, SVST, Euntes are not in agreement doctrinally yet they are in GOOD STANDING with the Church?!?! Goodness me!]
The reconciliation talks, he said, are a sign that the Catholic Church has begun to recognise it needs to recover traditions and traditional teaching eclipsed by the Second Vatican Council. If the SSPX were to reconcile fully with the Church, Bishop Fellay said, its members would continue to denounce “doctrinal difficulties” in the Church, but would do so while also providing “tangible signs of the vitality of tradition” in its growing membership and vocation rate. [Doctrinal difficulties, hmmm... Leaves a lot of room for interpretations from both ends of the theological spectrum, eh?]
Speaking to members of the SSPX who are wary of reconciliation, Bishop Fellay said “one of the great dangers is to end up inventing an idea of the Church that appears ideal, but is in fact not found in the real history of the Church”.
“Some claim that in order to work ‘safely’ in the Church, she must first be cleansed of all error. This is what they say when they declare that Rome must convert before any agreement, or that its errors must first be suppressed so that we can work,” he said.
But the reality of the Church’s history shows that “often, and almost always, we see that there are widespread errors” and that God calls holy men and women to work within the Church to correct the errors, Bishop Fellay said.
“We are being asked to come and work just as all the reforming saints of all times did,” he said. [Wonderfully said!]
Bishop Fellay said he did not have a timetable for the conclusion of the talks. “There are even some who say that the Pope will deal with this matter at [the papal summer villa in] Castel Gandolfo in July.”
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Some say it is a done deal but that the announcement is just being delayed.
But these are all conjectures and we still have to wait the official announcement from the Holy See.
As I have said time and again...
The true aim of ecumenism is to bring back the lost sheep into the one fold of Jesus Christ. The brand of ecumenism we had right after Vatican II is to make the Catholic Church more like ALL of the religions of the world.
That is why you have dancers at Mass which was never a part of Catholic heritage....
Communion in the Hand....
Nature or Eco-friendly liturgy....
Priests and Nuns fighting to save the planet instead of our immortal souls...
Thank the Lord for Pope Benedict XVI.
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The leader of the traditionalist Society of St Pius X has said talks with the Vatican demonstrate that “Rome no longer makes total acceptance” of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council a condition for his group’s full reconciliation with the Church.
Accepting the Council’s teaching is no longer “a prerequisite for the canonical solution” of the status of the society, according to Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the SSPX. [Which keeps the heads of the liberals on a tailspin! hahaha]
In an interview published today on the society’s news site, www.dici.org, Bishop Fellay said it was the Vatican that approached the society, and not the society that went to the Vatican, asking to begin the talks. [Because that is what a true shepherd does. He goes out of his way to bring back the lost sheep. As Fr. Z calls him, Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope of Christian Unity! Unlike other bishops who ostracize their own flock just because they either: show devotion to the Latin Tridentine Mass or would want Communion on the tongue either standing or kneeling, or support traditional groups like Opus Dei]
“So the attitude of the official Church is what changed; we did not,” he said. “We were not the ones who asked for an agreement; the Pope is the one who wants to recognise us.” [Because the Pope has shown his genuine concern for the group right back in 1988 when he, then Cardinal-Prefect of the CDF was in direct contact with the Society's founder itself.]
In 2009, Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications that had been incurred by Bishop Fellay and other SSPX bishops when they were ordained without papal permission 11 years earlier. [If the three other bishops of the SSPX continue their "more-Catholic-than-thou" attitude, expect that excommunication to get back at them!] Also in 2009, the Pope established a Vatican committee to hold doctrinal talks with society representatives.
In September 2011, the Vatican gave Bishop Fellay a “doctrinal preamble” outlining “some doctrinal principles and criteria for the interpretation of Catholic doctrine necessary to guarantee fidelity” to the formal teaching of the Church. Neither the Vatican nor the SSPX has made the text public, but the Vatican said it leaves room for “legitimate discussion” about “individual expressions or formulations present in the documents of the Second Vatican Council and the successive magisterium” of the Church.
Bishop Fellay submitted his first response to the document in March, but the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, with the approval of Pope Benedict, defined it as “insufficient”. The bishop gave the Vatican his second response in April and, as of June 7, it was still under study at the Vatican.
In the interview on the SSPX website, Bishop Fellay said: “We are still not in agreement doctrinally, and yet the Pope wants to recognise us. Why? The answer is right in front of us: there are terribly important problems in the Church today.” [Hey! The theologians at Belgium and here at MST, SVST, Euntes are not in agreement doctrinally yet they are in GOOD STANDING with the Church?!?! Goodness me!]
The reconciliation talks, he said, are a sign that the Catholic Church has begun to recognise it needs to recover traditions and traditional teaching eclipsed by the Second Vatican Council. If the SSPX were to reconcile fully with the Church, Bishop Fellay said, its members would continue to denounce “doctrinal difficulties” in the Church, but would do so while also providing “tangible signs of the vitality of tradition” in its growing membership and vocation rate. [Doctrinal difficulties, hmmm... Leaves a lot of room for interpretations from both ends of the theological spectrum, eh?]
Speaking to members of the SSPX who are wary of reconciliation, Bishop Fellay said “one of the great dangers is to end up inventing an idea of the Church that appears ideal, but is in fact not found in the real history of the Church”.
“Some claim that in order to work ‘safely’ in the Church, she must first be cleansed of all error. This is what they say when they declare that Rome must convert before any agreement, or that its errors must first be suppressed so that we can work,” he said.
But the reality of the Church’s history shows that “often, and almost always, we see that there are widespread errors” and that God calls holy men and women to work within the Church to correct the errors, Bishop Fellay said.
“We are being asked to come and work just as all the reforming saints of all times did,” he said. [Wonderfully said!]
Bishop Fellay said he did not have a timetable for the conclusion of the talks. “There are even some who say that the Pope will deal with this matter at [the papal summer villa in] Castel Gandolfo in July.”
***
Some say it is a done deal but that the announcement is just being delayed.
But these are all conjectures and we still have to wait the official announcement from the Holy See.
As I have said time and again...
The true aim of ecumenism is to bring back the lost sheep into the one fold of Jesus Christ. The brand of ecumenism we had right after Vatican II is to make the Catholic Church more like ALL of the religions of the world.
That is why you have dancers at Mass which was never a part of Catholic heritage....
Communion in the Hand....
Nature or Eco-friendly liturgy....
Priests and Nuns fighting to save the planet instead of our immortal souls...
Thank the Lord for Pope Benedict XVI.
Thursday, May 17, 2012
Recent updates on Vatican - SSPX discussions
Vatican City, May 16, 2012 / 10:25 am (CNA/EWTN News).- The Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has announced it will hold separate talks with the superior general of the breakaway traditionalist Society of St. Pius X and each of its three other bishops to try and acheive reconciliation.
“The text of the response of Bishop Bernard Fellay, received on 17 April, 2012, was examined and some observations, which will be considered in further discussions between the Holy See and the Society of St. Pius X, were formulated,” said a communique issued May 16.
The statement was published after a quarterly meeting of the Ordinary Session of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
The 16-person committee – known as Feria Quarta – met this morning to discuss the modifications made by the Superior of the Society of St. Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, to a “doctrinal preamble” prepared last year by the Vatican. The document establishes a framework for agreement on some key issues of Church doctrine, including acceptance of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council.
In contrast to Bishop Fellay, the Society’s three other bishops seem hostile to the idea of reconciliation with Rome.
Today’s Vatican communiqué said the situations of the three other bishops “will have to be dealt with separately and singularly.” [Excellent solution, IMHO!]
Earlier this month, Bishops Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Alfonso de Galarreta and Richard Williamson sent a letter to Bishop Fellay warning that an agreement with the Vatican would see the Society “cease to oppose the universal apostasy of our time.”
They also argued that the Second Vatican Council “did not just include particular errors but represented a total perversion of the mind, a new philosophy founded on subjectivism.”
Pope Benedict XVI was dismissed by the three Pius X Society bishops as a “subjectivist.” [Almost to the point of calling Pope Benedict XVI an anti-pope!]
Prior to today’s statement, many observers thought it was possible that the committee would announce an agreement with the Society that could be presented to Pope Benedict XVI for his judgment.
Feria Quarta consists of some of the Vatican’s senior curial figures, such as Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone [Uhm..] and several bishops from key dioceses, including Cardinal Christoph Schonborn [ugh!] of Vienna and Cardinal Jean-Pierre Ricard [uhm....]of Bordeaux. It is chaired by the Prefect of the Congregation, the American Cardinal William Levada.
The Society of St. Pius X was founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebrve in 1970 as a response to what he described as errors that had crept into the Catholic Church following the Second Vatican Council. Its relations with the Vatican became strained in 1988 when Archbishop Lefebrve consecrated four bishops against the orders of Pope John Paul II.
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Archbishop Lefebrve was one of the many conservatives during Vatican II. He was particularly critical of the reform of the Mass.
It was just the TLMass which the nutty and modernist liturgists want to destroy that led to the rupture, well of course including the illegal consecration of the four bishops.
Let us all pray and hope for the full reconciliation of the Society to the One Church of Jesus Christ that persists ONLY in the Catholic Church which is shepherded today by the Successor of St. Peter, Pope Benedict XVI.
The reintegration of the Society back into the Church will bring much fruit, you can bet on it. We have to thank them, in a way, because it was through their actions that the Traditional Movement in the Church came about, whether you accept it or not.
Take it from a SECRET SSPX DOG!
Hahahaha!
Sorry can't help it.
PS: I know that this arrogant apologist would insist that the SSPX deserve all the insult and bad-mouth that he trashed out to them.
But did the Holy See do it that way?
Did Blessed John Paul and Pope Benedict XVI did it that way?
I remember an abrasive and verbally abusive character of a priest like that back in my high school days.
And quite frankly, priests like this give a bad rep to the Catholic priesthood.
Shame on you!
“The text of the response of Bishop Bernard Fellay, received on 17 April, 2012, was examined and some observations, which will be considered in further discussions between the Holy See and the Society of St. Pius X, were formulated,” said a communique issued May 16.
The statement was published after a quarterly meeting of the Ordinary Session of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
The 16-person committee – known as Feria Quarta – met this morning to discuss the modifications made by the Superior of the Society of St. Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, to a “doctrinal preamble” prepared last year by the Vatican. The document establishes a framework for agreement on some key issues of Church doctrine, including acceptance of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council.
In contrast to Bishop Fellay, the Society’s three other bishops seem hostile to the idea of reconciliation with Rome.
Today’s Vatican communiqué said the situations of the three other bishops “will have to be dealt with separately and singularly.” [Excellent solution, IMHO!]
Earlier this month, Bishops Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Alfonso de Galarreta and Richard Williamson sent a letter to Bishop Fellay warning that an agreement with the Vatican would see the Society “cease to oppose the universal apostasy of our time.”
They also argued that the Second Vatican Council “did not just include particular errors but represented a total perversion of the mind, a new philosophy founded on subjectivism.”
Pope Benedict XVI was dismissed by the three Pius X Society bishops as a “subjectivist.” [Almost to the point of calling Pope Benedict XVI an anti-pope!]
Prior to today’s statement, many observers thought it was possible that the committee would announce an agreement with the Society that could be presented to Pope Benedict XVI for his judgment.
Feria Quarta consists of some of the Vatican’s senior curial figures, such as Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone [Uhm..] and several bishops from key dioceses, including Cardinal Christoph Schonborn [ugh!] of Vienna and Cardinal Jean-Pierre Ricard [uhm....]of Bordeaux. It is chaired by the Prefect of the Congregation, the American Cardinal William Levada.
The Society of St. Pius X was founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebrve in 1970 as a response to what he described as errors that had crept into the Catholic Church following the Second Vatican Council. Its relations with the Vatican became strained in 1988 when Archbishop Lefebrve consecrated four bishops against the orders of Pope John Paul II.
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Archbishop Lefebrve was one of the many conservatives during Vatican II. He was particularly critical of the reform of the Mass.
It was just the TLMass which the nutty and modernist liturgists want to destroy that led to the rupture, well of course including the illegal consecration of the four bishops.
Let us all pray and hope for the full reconciliation of the Society to the One Church of Jesus Christ that persists ONLY in the Catholic Church which is shepherded today by the Successor of St. Peter, Pope Benedict XVI.
The reintegration of the Society back into the Church will bring much fruit, you can bet on it. We have to thank them, in a way, because it was through their actions that the Traditional Movement in the Church came about, whether you accept it or not.
Take it from a SECRET SSPX DOG!
Hahahaha!
Sorry can't help it.
PS: I know that this arrogant apologist would insist that the SSPX deserve all the insult and bad-mouth that he trashed out to them.
But did the Holy See do it that way?
Did Blessed John Paul and Pope Benedict XVI did it that way?
I remember an abrasive and verbally abusive character of a priest like that back in my high school days.
And quite frankly, priests like this give a bad rep to the Catholic priesthood.
Shame on you!
Wednesday, May 16, 2012
The SSPX is coming back home
Based on this interview, it will happen.
I saw this on Rorate and WDTPRS and I am posting it here too.
I saw this on Rorate and WDTPRS and I am posting it here too.
Saturday, May 12, 2012
Brewing storm inside the SSPX
The reconciliation of the SSPX and their Personal Prelature is almost a done deal. But the hardliners inside the SSPX are making their intents known: No compromise with modernist Rome.
It is the same as saying that the Church only exists in them and they do not acknowledge Benedict XVI as Pope.
Read the letter of Bishop Fellay by visiting Rorate Caeli.
PS: I will comment about the letter in another post.
It is the same as saying that the Church only exists in them and they do not acknowledge Benedict XVI as Pope.
Read the letter of Bishop Fellay by visiting Rorate Caeli.
PS: I will comment about the letter in another post.
Thursday, April 19, 2012
Wednesday, April 18, 2012
BREAKING NEWS! SSPX confirms that the Doctrinal Preamble has been signed!
Rorate Coeli broke the news!
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[Update: Apr. 18, 0800 GMT]
The SSPX German District website posts the information relayed by the Swiss religious news agency KIPA/APIC, which merely reproduced the content of Tornielli's article translated by us above - and does not deny or alter in any way the information first reported by the Italian Vaticanist: "KIPA reports agreement" (in German).
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[Second update: Apr. 18, 0900 GMT]
From Swiss religious news agency APIC/KIPA:
Bishop Fellay's spokesman confirms that the clarified preamble was sent to the Vatican
Paris/Menzingen, April 18, 2012 (Apic) - Between Rome and the Society of Saint Pius X, "we are still in a stage of studies," Father Alain Lorans, responsible for the communications of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX) in Paris declard on April 18 to Apic.
Commenting upon the news published on the previous day by Vaticanist Andrea Tornielli on the website "Vatican Insider", the spokesman describes as "positive" the fact the Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the SSPX, has responded, earlier in the week, to the demands of clarification posed by Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Roman Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. But "not everything is already fixed," he underlines.
Too premature
Father Alain Lorans considers that Andrea Tornielli is perhaps speaking too prematurely, because Pope Benedict XVI and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith still ought to examine the clarifications brought forth by Bp. Fellay regarding the doctrinal preamble submitted in September 2011. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) had asked the Society of Saint Pius X on March 16, 2012, to clarify its position on this doctrinal preamble on the occasion of a meeting in the Vatican with its Superior General. The Society had until April 15 to give a new response, which was done.
The man in charge, in Paris, for the communications of the Society expects the Vatican's communiqué - which should be released, according to him, on Wednesday, April 18 - in order to release an official communiqué. If the information is confirmed, it would mark the end of a separation of almost 24 years, following the rift caused by the "Ecône schism" of 1988, with the excommunication of Abp. Marcel Lefebvre for the ordination of four Traditionalist bishops without Rome's mandate
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[Update: Apr. 18, 0800 GMT]
The SSPX German District website posts the information relayed by the Swiss religious news agency KIPA/APIC, which merely reproduced the content of Tornielli's article translated by us above - and does not deny or alter in any way the information first reported by the Italian Vaticanist: "KIPA reports agreement" (in German).
_________________________________________
[Second update: Apr. 18, 0900 GMT]
From Swiss religious news agency APIC/KIPA:
Bishop Fellay's spokesman confirms that the clarified preamble was sent to the Vatican
Paris/Menzingen, April 18, 2012 (Apic) - Between Rome and the Society of Saint Pius X, "we are still in a stage of studies," Father Alain Lorans, responsible for the communications of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX) in Paris declard on April 18 to Apic.
Commenting upon the news published on the previous day by Vaticanist Andrea Tornielli on the website "Vatican Insider", the spokesman describes as "positive" the fact the Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the SSPX, has responded, earlier in the week, to the demands of clarification posed by Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Roman Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. But "not everything is already fixed," he underlines.
Too premature
Father Alain Lorans considers that Andrea Tornielli is perhaps speaking too prematurely, because Pope Benedict XVI and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith still ought to examine the clarifications brought forth by Bp. Fellay regarding the doctrinal preamble submitted in September 2011. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) had asked the Society of Saint Pius X on March 16, 2012, to clarify its position on this doctrinal preamble on the occasion of a meeting in the Vatican with its Superior General. The Society had until April 15 to give a new response, which was done.
The man in charge, in Paris, for the communications of the Society expects the Vatican's communiqué - which should be released, according to him, on Wednesday, April 18 - in order to release an official communiqué. If the information is confirmed, it would mark the end of a separation of almost 24 years, following the rift caused by the "Ecône schism" of 1988, with the excommunication of Abp. Marcel Lefebvre for the ordination of four Traditionalist bishops without Rome's mandate
Friday, March 30, 2012
Communiqué from the General House of the Society of Saint Pius X
From the website of the SSPX.
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Oh there!
Start ranting that I am an undercover supporter from the SSPX.
LOL!
By the way, did that apologete comment anything about the SSPX inviting bishops from the CBCP for the Rosary Crusade against the RH Bill?
I guess he/she did not!
All he cares about is that he is more Catholic than anyone else out there.
Wait!
Isn't that how the sedevacantists and some SSPXers behave?
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Since the meeting on March 16, 2012, with Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X, has urgently been inviting the faithful to redouble their fervor in prayer and their generosity in making sacrifices during these Holy Days of Lent and in the weeks that will follow the solemnity of Easter, that the Divine Will may be done, and it alone, after the example of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Garden of Olives: non mea voluntas, sed tua fiat (Luke 22:42).***
The Rosary Crusade that started on Easter 2011 and is scheduled to end on Pentecost 2012 is proving more than ever to be indispensable. This is why the Society of St. Pius X, which wants only the good of the Church and the salvation of souls, turns with confidence to the Blessed Virgin Mary, so that she might obtain from her divine Son the lights necessary to know His will clearly and to carry it out courageously.
May the faithful be so kind as to offer one holy communion for this intention. May they make fully their own, in thought and in deed, the prayer that Our Lord asked us to address to our heavenly Father: Sanctificetur nomen tuum, adveniat regnum tuum, fiat voluntas tua sicut in caelo et in terra; hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven!
Menzingen, March 29, 2012
Oh there!
Start ranting that I am an undercover supporter from the SSPX.
LOL!
By the way, did that apologete comment anything about the SSPX inviting bishops from the CBCP for the Rosary Crusade against the RH Bill?
I guess he/she did not!
All he cares about is that he is more Catholic than anyone else out there.
Wait!
Isn't that how the sedevacantists and some SSPXers behave?
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