Monday, December 10, 2012

About the Mass last Saturday

Last Saturday was the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, right?


Have you attended Mass?

In the morning or at night?

When you attended it at night, was the Mass for the Immaculate Conception or the Anticipated Mass for the 2nd Sunday of Advent?

If the Mass last Saturday night was for the Immaculate Conception, then you have fulfilled your obligation for the Immaculate Conception.  But you did not fulfill your obligation for the Second Sunday of Advent.

You had better attended either an anticipated Mass or went to Mass yesterday.

That is the opinion of the "Supreme Court of the Church Chief Justice" my fave cardinal, Leo Raymund Cardinal Burke, said in a post from Fr. Z, about the conversion a priesf-friend of his had with the cardinal.

Honestly, I do side with Cardinal Burke on this one.  Same Mass different liturgies like attending a Funeral Mass.  You cannot possibly say that it is the same as that of fulfilling your Sunday obligation when you attended a Funeral Mass done on a Sunday.

Different readings, different hymns, different intentions.

I remember Cardinal Rosales issuing a pastoral directive saying that you fulfill your Sunday obligation with your Immaculate Conception obligation when you attend the same Mass.  Actually I found it weird the first time and I still find it weird.  The Mass is the Mass, right I get it.  But the readings and the liturgy for a specific Mass is different from another Mass.  The Mass for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception has a different tone than the one for the Second Sunday of Advent.

We had this discussion with our parish priest and the know-it-all Worship Ministry who got their uhm training in MST.  They said the same thing as what Cardinal Rosales mentioned.  One Mass fulfills both obligations.

Then what is the need for different readings, for different liturgical colors?

See my point?

Now, share what you did last Saturday and if you thought of attending just one Mass to fulfill both obligations.


  1. I Only Attended Fr Zerrudo's TLM High Mass but Somehow,I did NOT Attend the Mass of the Second Sunday of Advent because of Other Family-Related Commitments. I already Knew It does NOT Fulfill Both obligations. SO Next time I attend Immaculate Conception Mass on Saturday,I will go to the Anticipated or Sunday Mass also.

  2. I have been following that particular post in Fr. Z's blog for quite some time now, Sir. With that, I think you must've misinterpreted what exactly Cardinal Bruke disagreed on.

    By attending two Masses, he did not also mean two different sorts of Masses (although that is what's ideal). What is meant by that is thus: since there are two days of obligation, one has to attend Mass twice, one in each day, regardless if the liturgies are different or not.

    5pm-11:59pm Saturday is still Saturday, and thus if one attends Mass on those times to fulfill his obligation for the feast day of the Immaculate Conception, even if it's already a Vigil Mass for Sunday, it fulfills his obligation for that day, BUT FOR THAT DAY ONLY. For him to fulfill Sunday obligation, he has to attend Mass again the next day, even if the liturgy with its reading and such are the same as the Mass he attended on Saturday.

    And so if one attended a Funeral Mass on Sunday, he has already fulfilled his obligation for that day, for the simple reason that IT IS SUNDAY. If the feast of the Immaculate Conception hits on Sunday (which it will, next year), one need only to attend one Mass to fulfill "both" obligations despite the differences of liturgies between the Mass for the feast day and the Mass for the second week of Advent Sunday (assuming they wouldn't move the feast of the Immaculate Conception on Monday)

    In brief, Sir, what I'm saying is that I think Cardinal Bruke didn't say anything about liturgies effecting the (non-)fulfillment of an obligation. That's all. Good day, Sir!

    1. Yeah, well what I actually meant was that we need to attend two Masses to fulfill our obligations. That is what I understand with what Cardinal Burke said unless some canonist or even a bishop would correct me.

      Well, I doubt if the archbishop who reads this blog will post a comment here. Maybe through email. Why not? :)