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Wednesday, September 2, 2009

See any similarities?

Here is the logo of the Iglesia ni Cristo or of Manalo.  They have offered NO explanation whatsoever as to the meaning of the logo.
 
Now look at this...

You know why?  Because their founder, Felix Manalo, was once a Freemason.  
And they claim he is an angel!
Look more here...

I got this from this thread discussing the Masonic elements of the Iglesia ni Cristo.  They are suspecting that Felix Manalo may have been a 22nd degree Mason.

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  1. Hi. You have presented a good argument, with lots of examples. Thanks for visiting my blog and referring me to this post. In one forum, I encountered an INC offer some explanations on the symbols. I'll post them when I find them. But of course, I find them a bit contrived, and the simpler explanation would be Manalo's freemasonry associations.

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  2. Here, I found it. And I find it a bit contrived.

    The shield ---- is the shield of faith
    the various colors = green is love; white is holiness; red is courage
    the upsidedown triangle means the equality of the members or brotherhood (Mt. 23:8);
    the crown is the crown of eternal life
    the flame is the light of salvation
    the scale represents the equiality of the justice of God;
    the book is the Bible
    the two scrolls seen in the BIble represent the OT and NT;
    the lamb is the Lord Jesus Christ
    the bird at the top is the dove or Holy Spirit
    From:
    http://thedigitalpinoy.org/thread/10/737/209

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  3. Thanks for commenting pasugo.

    Even with the explanation of the elements, these must be taken as a whole in order to convey the message of the elements as one wholistic statement of purpose. The logo has to communicate something. It should not be taken one element at a time.

    As INCs looovvvveee to explain things based from their own versions of the Bible, I still have to see where in their Bible they got this logo and how in the green earth will they find the explanation for this.

    Well, I guess they can. Imagine, Manalo an angel?! BAH!

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  4. Very interesting post......also found the post of Monk's hobbit thru this blog. I had always suspected the founders of INC of something. I would like to post on this in my Catholic Pilgrim later :)

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  5. Thanks Pinoy Catholic for exposing a bit.. this is just the tip of an iceburg...

    more to discover in there, one needs to dig deeper for a bigger haul.

    God bless.

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  6. The INC founder could be a Mason but the Catholic church shouldn't be alarmed by this. The Vatican has been involved into lots of scandals and corruption.

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    1. How much is LOTS for you? It so happen that this Church is always been an interest and a capital (money) for newsmakers, that makes it more appealing looool.

      Try to expose any scandal or corruption in your church, not even local news would buy...

      See the difference?

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    2. Who said the Catholic church is alarmed??? You are exaggerating the value of INC to the Catholic Church, brother…

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    3. What??? The background of the founder has nothing to do with the religion he founded? Are you drunk?

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  7. My goodness! I never noticed it, cause I'm not interested in Iglesia Ni Cristo - they are incomplete-INC. Thank you for exposing it. Thanks a lot, I'll tell this to my priest friends and friends whom I can trust.

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  8. Felix Manalo being a former Mason if true has nothing to do with the church (INC). All religions copied from one another.

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    1. well , may i stress that the catholic religion is authentic. she never copied from any religion. it just came and grew through the grace of God and through the presence of the holy Spirit. and now thanks for admitting that your religion was copied from from some piece of ...

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    2. Felix Manalo copied almost everything of what he has. From liturgy even to how his pointed churches and tabernacle should be built. Even his own "Man only" doctrine wasn't originally his.

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  9. Felix Manalo's being a Mason has nothing to do with the INC?

    Either this is a case of bad grammar or I just had a mental diarrhea just reading that.

    No! It has EVERYTHING to do with this!

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    1. kung totoo nga yang sinsabi mo na ang romano katolika ang totoong relihiyon bakit hind nyo na lang ipagkalat muna ang nalalaman niyo about sa relihiyon nyo at hindi yung kailangan niyong mag latag ng mga ebidensiya de bobo na hindi totoo ang IGLESIA NI CRISTO na kinabibilangan ko kasi kung lahat ng ebidensiya naman lang ang kakalapin ko sigurado kulang pa para isaksak ko jan sa tinatawag mong mental diarrhea na nasa ulo mo??? saka bakit di nyo namang subukang pumikit at pakiramdaman ang mga bagay bagay sa mundo hindi yung nakatitig kayo sa mga rebulto niyo na kayo mismo ang gumawa.., ang iglesia ni cristo ay hindi naman kayo pinipilit ipagsiksikan ang sarili nyo sa aming relihiyon bagkos kami ay nag lalatag ng aming ideya upang ipaalam lamang sa bawat tao ang mensaheng dapat makarating sa bawat taosaka di ba may kasibihan tayo na the best things in life is the one you cannot see??? ang iglesia ay para rin lang namang noah's ark na kung sino ang ayaw pumasok sa barkong ginawa nya ay siya rin ang mapapahamak..., at wag niyo naman sana babuyin ang simbolo ng diyos na sinasabi nyong simbolo ng demonyo pagka't ang demonyo ay mapanlinlang pagka't pwede niyang manipulahin ang mali sa tama. at paano niyo naman nalaman ang symbolo na gingamit namin ay sa demonyo???? unless isa rin kayo sa demonyo na sinsabi niyo??? mga bro ang mundo ay puno ng mga bagay na hindi natin lubusang maintindihan subukan niyo kayang makinig muna sa amin at buksan ang inyong mga isipan???? at kung kayo naman ay may mga katanungan pwede kayong magtanong sa mga ministro naming namamahala sa amin at ang bibliya na mismo ang sasagot jan.., at isa pa wala pang perpektong tao dito sa mundo para sumbatan niyo ang relihiyon namin na hindi dapat kami mag kasala pagka't tao tayo ., kasi malamang kung hindi tayo nagkasala baka diyos na tayo di ba??? kaawaan sana kayo sa mga ginagawa niyo .., salamat .., at lalo lang tumatag ang pananalig ko sa relihiyon ko .., kasi naniniwala ako na hindi ka nila hihilahin pababa kung hindi ka tama .., and that means kayo ang nasa baba namin kayo .., we are the son of god.., and we are not afraid of who is against us .., no matter how many they are and how big they are we are always protected and guided by the love of our god.., there is only one god not the trinity that catholics believe in .., how come can you live in a kingdom with three kings???

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    2. You cant live a kingdom with three kings kamo e bakit ang dami dami nyong mga ministro at kung makapagdamit kayo sosyal na sosyal hindi ba dapat magsuot lng ng tamang damit ngunit hindi kailangang sosyal pano naman ang mga mahihirap na tao at walanag pangbili ng mga damit nyong kaaarte e kung lahat ay nagsusuot ng normal at hindi mamahaling damit tulad ng suot nyo at saka pinahihintulutan ba kayong magsalita sa kapwa tao nyo ng masama na sinasabihan ng mga mura in public pa sino ang nga ba ang tama sa mga ganung sitwasyon at pati ang banal na santatlo ay binabatikos nyo mismo sa bibliya nandoon sila sa pagbibinyag ni hesus ang Dove as reprentation of God ang anak na binibinyagan ni san juan at ang espirito kasama sa Dove at alam ko pati si maria mali sa inyo FYI si maria ay aming pinupuri dahil ang diyos mismo ang unang nagpuri kay maria ''Blessed are you among women'' at ito ay nakalagy sa bibliya mismo O BAKA NAMAN BINABASA NIYO LANG ANG MGA GUSTO NYONG BASAHIN DYAN KAU MAGALING E SA PAGPUPUTOL PUTOL SA LINYA SA BIBLIYA AT SABI PANGA SA BOOK OF LEVITCUS NA ''KUNG HINDI MAIAALAY ANG DUGO AY DAPAT NIYO ITONG KAININ'' PERO HINDI NIYO ITO KINANIN ANG MGA BABOY NA INYONG INIIWASAN DAHIL ITO RAW AY MASAMA SINAPIAN NG DEMONO NGUNIT ANG MGA BABOY NA TINUTUKOY SA BAGONG TIPAN AY NAGPAKALUNOD SA DAGAT AT HINDI NA NAKAPAGPARAMI AT PATI SA INYONG IKAPO DAPAT BUKAS SA KALOOBAN NG ISANG TAO ANG PAGBIBIGAY AT HINDI SAPILITAN PATI ANG PAGGAWA NG SANTO AY SINABI NG DIYOS NA GUMAWA NG IMAHE SA TAAS NG ARK OF THE COVENANT KAY WAG KAYONG MAGSALITA NG TAPOS DAHIL WALA KAYONG ALAM SA RELIHIYON NAMIN MAS PATAS ANG PAMAMALAKAD NG RELIHIYON NAMIN KUMPARA SA INYO
      God Bless :)
      May God Be all the Glory :)

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    3. Kalat na po. Ayaw niyo lang basahin.

      Even Iglesiani Cristo's official magazine acknowledges it.

      PASUGO Abril 1966, p. 46: “Ang Iglesia Katolika na sa pasimula ay siyang Iglesia ni Cristo."

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  10. I think Manz has a good sense of what would the INC do with the life, records and former fraternity of Mr. manalo and the logo (as you stated and presented).

    Every organization's logo derived from a known symbols that described their visions, beliefs and virtues in one picture. That is why you were able to translate its every symbols of INC with your own references. Because their logo can communicate well.

    Unfortunately, dont you find it subjective to compared it from freemasonry?

    Is freemasonry a demonic cult?

    do you really welcome an explanation from the INC?

    just asking sir.

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  11. It has everything to do with it. Manalo was a Mason and Masons are anti-established religion.

    It respects all people who worship a Supreme Being. Any Supreme Being even Lucifer.

    Watch this from a former Mason:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWuJJs36TNU

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  12. I'm sorry sir, as i remember to my history class, masons fight for equality. And most of famous masons are Hero.

    And you don't even answer my questions and Manz asking too.

    To date, reading your post make me sick, do you really digging for truth or you just up for something that even your righteous mind cant able to define it. As you presented those SYMBOLS & the MEANING of it, i know, at the back of your mind it means nothing harm and demonic virtue (according to your own references and statement). Both INC & FREEMASONRY.

    You are a member of KNIGHT OF COLUMBUS.

    And you are protesting against FREEMASONRY and link it to INC logo because it signified almost the same.

    Are you a former FREEMASON and/or INC?

    If not, try to learn more from them.

    As i trying to learn more from Knight of Columbus in a righteous mindset.

    Thank you so much Pinoy catholic and God bless.

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  13. Raude, it depends which history book you read and who is your history teacher. If you listen to Marcos loyalist for a history teacher, you'll learn that the EDSA Revolution is illegal and that Marcos is still president and that Arturo Tolentino was right to claim ascendancy of the presidency since he is the "justly elected and proclaimed Vice President."

    It seems you are the one who is not doing his homework with what Freemasonry really is. There is wonderful website called YouTube. Try searching for videos about former Masons talking about their organizations.

    Ok, to make it easier for you, here is the link:

    WATCH AND LEARN!

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubgosRfMEOY

    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxB-YHErZQw&feature=related

    Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_wcKystd2g&feature=related

    Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRNmPFl-jp0&feature=related

    You're asking me if I am a former Mason or INC?

    THANK GOD, NO!

    I learned from them because I am actually...hold your breath...FRIENDS WITH THEM!

    If you want to know more about the Knights of Columbus in a "a righteous mindset" as you wrote, search for the Wikipedia entry, which is a good one. And you can also visit our Supreme Council's website: www.kofc.org

    Ask any INC or Mason this: How much have you contributed to charity?

    Ask for actual numbers and documents as proof!

    Then go to the websites I mentioned above about the Knights. I'll let those sites do the talking on this one.

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    1. this may also be useful regarding the Church's stand on freemasonry

      http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19850223_declaration-masonic_articolo_en.html

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  14. tulad ng ang mga sinabi mo sa mga nauna mong post, and i quote,
    "Even with the explanation of the elements, these must be taken as a whole in order to convey the message of the elements as one wholistic statement of purpose. The logo has to communicate something. It should not be taken one element at a time."
    sa mga pinakita mong mga ebidensya o examples sa taas.., hindi ba inexplain mo lang din naman ang kahulugan ng mga elemento ng logo ng free masonry at ikinumpara sa logo ng ilgesia...
    anong ipinagkaiba non sa ginawang. pagpapaliwanag ng mga miyembro ng iglesia ukol sa logo ng samahan nila...?
    hindi ko iniaalis na meron ngang pagkakatulad ang logo ng freemasonry at ang logo ng iglesia ni cristo.., ngunit hindi ko nakita na napatunayan mo sa pamamagitan ng mga larawang ipinakita mo sa itaas na may koneksyon ang inc sa freemasonry... hindi ako naniniwala na ang dalawang bagay na may pagkakatulad ay iisa na ang pinagmulan.. ang mga ganitong usapin ay nangangailangan ng masusing pag-aaral na hindi lamang naka-focus sa isa lamang aspeto (ex. logo)ng upang di tayo tumalon sa di makatwirang konklusyon. sa usaping tulad nito hindi ba dapat na ang doktrina at pananmpalataya and pagusapan at di lamang ang logo ng samahan..! (ex.upang masabing pareho o nagmula ang inc sa freemasonry, pareho nga ba talaga ang mga doktrinang itinataguyod ng mga ito...!?)
    sa iyo na rin nanggaling, and i quote again
    "They are suspecting that Felix Manalo may have been a 22nd degree Mason." nakarating na ba sa pilipinas ang freemasonry ng panahong itinatag ni manalo ang inc. sa aking tingin ang lahat ng ito at teyorya mo lamang hanggat di ka nakapaglalalabas ng kongkretong katibayan ng koneksyon ni manalo sa freemasonry.
    huwag po sanang ikasama ng loob ninyo ngunit sa tingin ko ang lahat ng ito ay hindi bunga ng magandang hangarin para sa kapwa tao ngunit upang makapangbatikos lamang sa isang samahan na mula pa sa simula ay malaking hadlang na sa samahang kinaaaniban nyo..
    isa lamang po itong obserbasyon at nawa di magdulat sa inyo ng galit tulad mga nangyari sa mga nagpost na oposisyon sa opinion at paniniwal ninyo.
    salamat po ng marami at pagpalain po kayo ng mahal na panginoon..

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  15. First of all Jeffrey, you should have posted in English as blogs are read worldwide such as this blog. Only Tagalog speaking people will understand what you wrote. And to answer your question:

    Rizal and other national heroes were Masons. Apolinario Mabini who was rabidly anti-Catholic, is a Mason.

    So your angel Felix is a Mason.

    And lastly, ask your ministers what the logo means.

    THEY DO NOT KNOW JACK SQUAT WHAT IT MEANS.

    Ask your ministers why the flag of INC is such.

    THEY DO NOT KNOW JACK SQUAT WHAT IT MEANS.

    And they know what God revealed?

    Funny! The INC Ministers do not know the simple meaning of their logo and flag but they can explain the being of Christ and our salvation.

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  16. Pasensya na po ng napakarami kung di man po ako mahusay mag-english at ipagpaumanhin nio na lamang po kung di ko po masabi rito ang mga bagay na nais kong ipahatid sa lenggwaheng walang duda ay napakahusay kayo..
    bilang reaksyon naman po sa reply niyo sa post ko..,
    1) muli niyo po sanang ipagpaumanhin kung nagkulang ako sa pagsaliksik ukol kasaysayan ng free masonry sa bansa (salamat sa info na nag-eexist na ang freemasonry sa bansa sa panahon pa lamang mga kastila).. ngunit ang hindi ko po lamang matanggap at maintindihan ay ang pagtalon nio po muli sa konklusyon na si Felix Manalo ay isang freemason sa dahilang freemason din ang ilan sa ating mga bayani tulad ni Rizal, Mabini at marami pang iba... muli uulitin ko ang mga nauna ko pong nabanggit sa nauna kong post na di pa rin po kayo nakapagpakita ng konkretong ebidensya na magpapatotoo na si FYM ay isang freemason. ipagpaumanhinan nio po ngunit di po ba katawa-tawa at napaka-"amateurish" ata ng ganitong paraan ng pangangatwiran atpag-iisip(lalong-lalo kung masusumpungan ito sa walang dudang napakatalinong taong tulad nio). kung ire-relate natin ang sitwasyon sa korte.., pasensya na po ngunit sa tingin ko ay mahihirapan kayong makumbinsi ang mga jury o judge... BAKIT PO KASI DI TAYO MANGHAWAK SA MGA FACTS AT DI LAMANG SA MGA "TAMANG HULA tulad nito: ("They are suspecting that Felix Manalo may have been a 22nd degree Mason." )"...!?
    paumanhin ngunit pangungunahan ko na po kayo.., since usaping panrelihiyon naman po ito bakit hindi mga donktrina at aral ng INC at FREEMASONRY ang paghambingin nio at di ang pagkakatulad ng mga logo ng mga ito.

    ipagpaumanhin niyo po sa pinak-huling pagkakatao ngunit... NAKAKALUNGKOT at ipagdidiinan ko pa muli..., NAKAKALUNGKOT sapagkat di namn po siguro kakailanganin ng isang napakaintelehenteng tao upang makita na WALA KAYONG NAISAGOT NA KAHIT ISA MAN LANG SA MGA IPINUNTO KO SA POST KO...! SAHALIP AY ISA PA PONG PAMBABATIKOS ANG ISINAGOT NIO SA AKIN..

    uulitin ko po... MANGHAWAK PO TAYO SA FACTS AT DI LAMANG SA "TAMANG HULA"...

    di po ba mas mabuti pa ang isang bulag na bukas ang isipan at marunong makinig kesa sa iang taong nakakakita ngunit sarado naman ang isip at di marunong makinig.., di po ba mas madaling makikita ang katotohanan kung bukas di lamang ang ating mga mata ngunit maging ang ating isipan sapagkat di natin makikita ang ILAW NG KATWIRAN NG ATING PANGINOON kung isasarado nating ang ating isipan sa mga bagay na ating mga nakagisnan.

    naniniwala ako na kahit sa maikling oras lamang kung bubuksan natin ang ating puso at isipan (ng walang bahid ng malisya) ay sapat na upang makita at masumpungan ang katotohanan..

    PAGPALAIN PO KAYO NG PANGINOON..

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    1. The fact is-- the INC logo is too similar to the freemasonry logo and it is hard to dismiss the stark similarity. Since the logo embodies the ideals of the organization, studying the logos side by side is part of comparing the two organizations' ideals side by side. That is what you call "holding on to facts."

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  17. Hello pinoycatholic! I'm a Catholic, a Christian.

    Thank you for your courage on doing this article of yours, pinoycatholic. I understand why you did this. Please people! Understand why pinoycatholic did this. This for all our awareness, knowledge, wisdom and the light of truths. This for discussions and for having flames or throwing muds to each other. This is to shed the light of truth of what behind in Iglesia Ni Cristo symbolic logo representations. We do all love the truths as the words of God is the truth and we all love the words of God.

    How did I get here and why I'm here? I've been intrigued on the INC's symbolic logo when I seen a glimpsed of it in the news of TV Patrol regarding INC favoring the RH Bill. And of course because I like conspiracy theories and other mysteries that surrounds me. I'm a free thinker minded person and an explorer. A backyard or bedroom scientist. My library is google, wikipedia, wikileaks and other stuff in the internet. The moment I seen the INC's logo flashes on the TV screen (and kaboom!) that logo is familiar to me. Those are masonic symbols at the logo of INC. And it is the first time I seen it.

    Here are my little share of my knowledge and information regarding Freemasons with a little bit of the Illuminatti. Of course these are conspiracy stuffs found on the internet. They have a lot of secrets thats why they are called as the Secret Societies. Lowered level members don't know or no ideas of such secrecies. As a member level-up these secrecies are given by knowledge and wisdom. But these Freemasons secrecies are already scattered around the internet. Many have already known these secrecies even non-members of the society such as Freemasons. ( AND THAT IS A VERY SERIOUS TREATH TO ALL OF US. 2012 is just around the corner!?!) But, we really don't what will happened next. The real questions and answers are all depend to each one of us.

    The Freemasons, according to my knowledge was established very ancient or earlier than the society of Illuminatti. Freemasons roots are with Nimrod in the Old Testament Book of Genesis. Nimrod is a grandson of Noah. His a rebel. He the protagonist at the Tower of Babel. Thats where the Freemasons came from. They are the builders of the Tower of Babel or they are the masonries. Ever since then, they become builders of societies or cultures. Military, politicians, scholars, architectures, engineers, doctors and so on and so forth.

    All are goods and all are well until the early middle age of A.D. or before America was been discovered (I'm not sure), the Freemasons was been corrupted by the Illuminatti. I think on one occasion on their meeting or ceremonies, Satan or Lucifer came to them and to established a New World Order or domination. An order with a world with no religions, families, no properties and so on. They establish banks, financial institutions, universities, governments, etc. Also established fake and corrupted religions and other group of societies. Embedded within a established religion, group, culture and societies until to make it corrupted. Illuminatti and Freemasons combinations works are all now embedded within different religious organizations like in Catholics, other Christians dominations Islam, Hindus, Buddhist, Jews and so on. They also make or established their own group out of these religious organizations.

    Sorry to say these. . . . such groups in the Catholics are rigged and embedded or established or rooted by Freemasons and Illuminatti like the Knights of Malta and even your Knights of Columbus. And some say these are branches or dominations of the Freemasons. But of course these may been another tactics of the Illuminatti and Freemasons to corrupt such for hardliner groups in the Catholic.

    The Philippines and Pinoys are the most favorite puppets and playground of Freemasons and Illuminatti.

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    1. hi Jum i liked your write up, good topic huh? Thanks for the information but i have a few things different in my understanding. 1. Freemasons were stone builders they were infiltrated at some point in history and their network was used to spread the new Freemason masonic evil and their first real damage was done during the French Revolution and the following vendee Wars on Catholic people in France, and after that they are easy to follow. Freemasons are not builders of society they corrupt of christian society and infiltrate groups. The Freemasons were not corrupted by the Illuminati but corrupted by another world power religion that i will not name now. The Freemasons are the foot soldiers of a particular religion that persecutes the Catholic Church since day one. The Freemasons have been trying to destroy, infiltrate, attack the church for more than a thousand years. Yes Freemasons have infiltrated and started Christian religions and movements and Catholic orders and even the vatican, other religions except one has not been infiltrated; because the Freemasons are controlled by one Religion . You can not say the knights of Malta or templar Knights are corrupted because there are so many langes or divisions that u can not speak in general terms, Knights of Columbus have been infiltrated and do not defend the Faith like a knights should.

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  18. You are right Jum Ong to note that the Knights of Columbus bears some similarity with the Freemasons. In fact, the structure of the Knights is copied from the Freemasons BUT we eliminated anything that is against the Faith.

    That is one of the reasons why our founder, Fr. McGivney founded the Knights, to bring back Catholic men who joined Freemasonry and be in a fraternity and enjoy secret rituals and ceremonials in a Catholic setting.

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  19. Since when i was a highschool student that is studying in a catholic school and interested in freemasonic symbols, i passed by an iglesia's chapel, then examined the symbol and i noticed that it resembles the symbols of freemasonry.. well after reading this now, i know my analysis to be true.. And freemasonry and INC have one thing in common, they want to destroy the Catholic Church

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    1. Pope Benedict XV1 is an Illuminati, so are his predecessors, Illuminati and Freemasonry is hand in glove. As far as I know 33degree freemasons and higher are the ones involve in worshipping Lucifer.

      As a proof, the Pope mentioned the NWO during his speech on Dec. 25 last year. I definitely know that the Popes are 'enlightened' about this satanic scheme. However, upon divesting yourself from Freemasonry then you out of Lucifer's world, many have done that.

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    2. Yeah, humaneraser has a sense of logic here.

      Pope Benedict, according to him is a devil worshipper, that is why he intensifies the training of more exorcists to combat the spread of demons in the planet, he emphasizes the role of spirituality and religion in civil society, he reminds Europe of its Christian roots, and he fights secularism in all fronts.

      Yeah, makes sense. Very logical.

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    3. humaeraser, you mean to say, mentioning NWO in a speech makes the pope an Illuminati??? Bechabygollywow…. so are you saying that you are a demon because you mentioned Lucifer in your Feb 23, 2012 comment???

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  20. Do you know that Pope Pius IX is a Freemason.

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  21. But, strange to say, there is no doubt that Pope Pius IX. was himself a Freemason. His signature still exists in the books of one of the Italian Lodges of Monte Video. Shortly after his ordination Mastai Ferretti (which was his secular name) was sent as Auditor to the Vicar-General of Chile, and at one time it was believed that he was initiated into Freemasonry in that country. When, in later years, he was appointed Apostolic Delegate in Uruguay he appeared in the Lodges as a fully qualified Freemason, and a writer in the Libertad del Pensamiento, a Madrid journal, in 1870, said that there was in existence in the possession of one whose name he gave (Soussingeas) a portrait of the Pope in Masonic regalia.

    Reference:

    http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/pius_ix/freemason.html

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  22. sounds like the famous, or should I say infamous "Vicarius Filii Dei" tiara, eh?

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  23. what about INQUISITION? hahaha. don't ever forget that the Catholic church did before!

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  24. What about it? tell me the whole story.

    Like how Manalo cons its members their hard earned money?

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    1. Your rebuttal instinct is below par, conjecture is synonymous to hearsay. Are you really Christian? May be but your way of thinking is deceptive and are u gay?

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  25. Certainly know thy enemies and how they operate:

    Have you ever been close to an Iglesia ni Cristo 'church' and feel eerie about it - it's either massive and with architectural precision - yet doesn't evoke that Christian love that you feel when near a traditional Catholic church. And where's all the money coming from to build one like that?

    Matthew 10:16 [http://www.newadvent.org/bible/mat010.htm]
    Be therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves.

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  26. To be honest, Rizal denounced masonry before his death. And why? He confessed. The Jesuit to whom he confessed obviously knows that. If Rizal did not denounce masonry, the priest will not give him absolution. Even General Aguinaldo denounced masonry before his death through the help of Cardinal Santos.

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  27. I am still waiting for any INC members or officials to give the official explanation of their logo.

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  28. the popes at the vatican are now members of illuminati and freemasonry :((

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  29. To Nestor:

    Yes, I did feel the eeriness and the 'deadnes' evoked by the structures/churches of the INC. I would even add, scarrrrryyy! Even my young daughter commented the same way when we passed by an INC chruch/structure on our way to Baguio. She said "That looks scary and so dead.".

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    1. Ahuh? Ang gganda ng mga simbahan ng iglesia at sasabihin nyong nakakatakot? eh di ba ang mga simbahan ng mga katoliko ang nkakatakot tignan lalo na pag nasa loob na ktulad nung mga lumang mga simbahan na na nilulumot at parang mbubulok na, parang haunted house ang dating at madilim sa loob.

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  30. You have a valid point Agnetta.

    Even some of our catholic churches must be designed in such a way as to evoke a sense of the sacred.

    That is the reason why there is a resurgence in the Baroque designs in our churches.

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  31. It is funny how you stand and focus in over analyzing the logo instead of comparing religions to Freemasonry in a broader sense. Now in 2011, everyone is talking about the Illuminati, the New World Order, the Fed and the other banking elites own by the Jews and the connection of the Order of Jesuits to the Illuminati. You as an apologist, I know that you have the knowledge on how the your religion is connected to Freemasonry and the Illuminati as well.

    As a former INC, I can say "yes it is possible. But how about your religion?" From the corruption that happened during the scandal in the Vatican Bank which had involved billions of dollars, to sexual scandals by priests across the globe, and when it comes to the Philippines, it is the biggest landlord in the country and its assets can't be equaled by any single private company in the country.

    As for the INC architecture, why you Agnetta would say that it looks and feels creepy? Don't you know that there are more churches in Europe which are scarier? INC makes the most elegant churches not only in the Philippines even in the US(example Montclair chapel in CA) And yes most their money which they have contributed goes to construction of churches and every member knows that because it is in their doctrine.

    What about the Catholic Church? Where has all your money gone? You have more universities and hospitals than the INC which makes you richer but you can't make elegant churches like the INC's (maybe just a few like the San Sebastian Church). Not everyone in the INC are wealthy and compare to the population of the Catholics, it is not even a quarter.

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    1. Alvin, why is the Iglesia still led by a Manalo? Obvious! IT'S A FAMILY CORPORATION!

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    2. The tuition paid in Catholic Universities clearly go the salary of instructors, maintenance of facilities, etc... And Catholic Universities are known for it's high educational standards. Only a small portion of that goes to the Church funds used in missions to Africa, Latin America, etc.

      Second, it is only according to YOU that there are few beautiful churches. Why? Have you been to all the places in the world? The San Sebastian Church is an old church. Many new chapels or parishes adopted simpler, more efficient in design. Another, we cannot build extravagant churches in the middle of the slums, the Church would rather feed the hungry and the destitute and build a simple church than build an extravagant church but the people who enter it are starving and dying.

      And Please... Landlords? Perhaps these lands you speak of are lands inherited by priests who come from rich families. It is up to them whether they keep it or donate it to the church or deny the inheritance. The Church strongly recommends the clergy to refrain from owning vast lands and wealth.

      Scandals, we cannot deny that. But, take note that these are the priests who have been weak in the faith. And these priests have undergone due process and investigation. They have been received accordingly the penalty or punishment deserved.

      True, the Church has over a billion members, but take note again, most members of the church are in the middle to lower class and below the poverty line, economically. Try going to the mission areas of the Missionaries of the Poor (MOP), Missionaries of Charity (MC), Daughters of Charity (DC), Claretian Missionaries (CMF), Redemptorist Missionaries (CSsR) and to the Mission Area of Aid to the Church in Need... see how our missionaries live with the poor in the most subhuman conditions, how they cross rivers, valleys and climb mountains just to reach those in need and those thirsty for God's word.

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    3. @The Pinoy Catholic

      Just to answer what you said "why is the Iglesia still led by a Manalo? Obvious! IT'S A FAMILY CORPORATION!"

      If we are going to accept your way of reasoning that INC is a family corporation because it is still led by the Manalo then the ancient nation of Israel is also a family corporation. Why did I say that? Who are the leaders of the ancient Israel?

      Our father Abraham.. Our father Isaac... Who's next in line? Our father Jacob. didn't you know that that is God's policy? So then your line of argumentation is WRONG! There's nothing wrong if INC is still being led by Manalo.

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  32. padaan lang po ah..tatanung ko lang sa nagpost dito no... nagaral kaba ng LOGIC?? dat alam mu naman yung rules kung panu mu mavavalidate ang fact.. khit ata gamitin ko yung oiler circle eh di ko makita na tama yung argument na ginagawa muh?? ngayon.. kung gusto mu matuto tara turuan kita.. bka gusto mudin ipaliwanag ko sayo buong bibiliya.. well kaso baka ndi mu maintindihan kaya wag nalang..

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  33. to Pinoy Catholic who posted here:

    JHUN said...
    i would like to reiterate the facts that comparing logo of freemasonry to the INC, wasn't a big deal after reading this article because we don't even know the truth about the INC, as i have learned from friends, the discipline and good morality of the Church of Christ (INC) doctrine has given a good example to many Filipino people as comparing to the Catholic people. and you know that, and you can deny it.
    Thank you, just a commentaries!!!

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    1. Pinoy Catholic & Jhun, DO NOT GENERALIZE.

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    2. JHUN, why compare the morality of the INC to the Catholic people? That's comparing apples to bananas! Also, comparing the logo of freemasonry to the INC may not be a big deal to you, but it sure is interesting to many others, myself included :) If you think this topic is not worth a whit, then don't read this blog thread. Just my suggestion, thank you.

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  34. To Kap. Pakanan,

    You are obviously an INC or a Freemason who is affected by this post. And speaking of your Biblical expertise, TRY ME!

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  35. To JHUN,

    Thank you for commenting, but frankly I had my generous share of experiences with INC members and what Christ told the Pharisees and scribes as a bunch of whitewashed tombs fits those I have had the chance to be with, PERFECTLY.

    They support only their own kind, like what Christ said about pagans. If they ever get related in any other way to non-INC members, they would stop at nothing to proselytize them.

    So, no JHUN. They are not the standard for morality. They do not even help people of other faiths in their housing projects in Montalban. I know this for a fact, because I was part of the government agency who facilitated the project during the time of Pres. Joseph Estrada.

    So, no, JHUN. INC members are a bunch of hypocrites. And I have no qualms telling it to their faces.

    The INC Doctrine is nothing but a rip off of the Mormon Church.

    And FELIX MANALO YSAGUN is a con-artist and rapist who is burning in hell!

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  36. to The Pinoy Catholic

    haha.. maganda na sana ng blog muh eh.. angaling nga ng comparison napahanga aq.. haha masyado lang immature yung conclusion muh.. masnaniniwala ako sa philosopiya ni plato.. bro. kaya masyado akong natuwa sa pagka immature ng utak muh..yaw ko itry yung sinasabi mung pagkabiblikal expertise muh broder ba kasi makabuo tayo ng bagong relihiyon sa debate na magagawa natin.. common bro.. beside la naman talagang big deal sa article mu yung estado lang ng walang kwenta mung utak ang gusto ko batikusin.. wala na yatang mas magiging epokrito pa sa katulad muh.. okie.. try me din haha.. "you're such a stupid maggot" haha..

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  37. to,The Pinoy Catholic

    oo, nga pla hindi ako myembro ng kahit anung relihiyon o kahit ng MASON pa.. kasi sa mason kailngan mayaman.. sa katoloko naman dapat mas malala ka sa kademonyuhan ni HUDAS katulad mo.. haha baka magulat ka pag nalaman mo kung sino ako.. mas matalino kasi ako sa mga naging teacher mo nung High school at mga naging professor mu nung kolehiyo ka haha..kung nagral ka man pero tingin ko hindi ka ata nag aral kasi mas magaling pa sayo yung naging studyante kong grade 3 hahahahahahhahahahaa

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    1. you're not a member of any religious group yet pinagtatanggol mo ang INC? where's the logic?

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    2. eto pa isa.. hindi ka naman pala myembro ng kahit anung relihiyon then why this topic concerns and troubles you? haha daig ka pa nung pinsan ko sa prep.. alam kung saan lulugar.. LOGIC PLEASE!!

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  38. To Kap Pakanan...

    Yeah, right.

    Before I continue, ENGLISH PLEASE.

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  39. Yep the internet is sometimes an extension of the twilight zone. hehehehehe.

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  40. The INC is a corporation sole according to its SEC registration papers. It is a unipersonalist corporation. So who in the INC owns all the property and the cash?

    "From the corruption that happened during the scandal in the Vatican Bank which had involved billions of dollars, to sexual scandals by priests across the globe, and when it comes to the Philippines, it is the biggest landlord in the country and its assets can't be equaled by any single private company in the country."

    So before such statements as above are written, an audit needs to be done!

    BTW, John Paul II ordered and audit of the Vatican Bank!

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  41. Whether INC is a masonic sect dressed as an Arian christianity or an Arian "Church" (doubtful about this)imbued with masonic ideals is pointless. Why? They appeal to a sacred text canonized by a church who they accused of apostasy! They're a bunch of purist who appeal to an apostatized scripture. Their leader Felix Manalo built an effective business of theocracy. We Catholics have out Pope at least through a vote, they however have their leader through succession? A serious case of nepotism. No wonder they never had a originality in them. A masonic logo and brotherhood, a Catholic Sacred Text, an Arian Christology and Gothic (can also also be considered as Catholic) architecture. What else they could have?

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  42. INC is a modern day arianism. INC is a business. Ever heard of the town that they bought in US and their plan of having the largest auditorium in the world? Their religion is founded by a liberated selfish man who made his doctrine for 3 days making his own bible to agree with his teachings. Fooled the innocent catholics by attacking the Doctrines of the Church while injecting their teachings based on the bible which they created.

    INC that attacks catholic church are not aware of thee real teachings of the Holy Catholic Church. They have been brainwashed by their ministers who were also blinded by this false doctrines.

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    1. I laugh at your absurdity.

      If the INC indeed created their own Bibles, wouldn't you think (that with the numerous debates that have transpired over the decades) that at least somebody will realize that we are using a manuscript that we created?

      You're obviously delirious. You should see a doctor.

      The Bible we use is the same Bible that your church uses. Or any other church for that matter. Indeed, there are numerous versions of the Bible. But during debates, the classes of Bibles are given to both parties. Your Catholic bishops and priests would be stupid (forgive the term) to use a Bible version they do not recognize, because they practically live to study it.

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  43. Nice topic.Anyways according to my research as you can see that in freemasonry there is no inverted triangle its a book or a bible.I think maybe im not idiot and dont have brain right?but still its up to you guys how you believed in this topic about the logo or sign etc.remember all of us came from one blood starting to Cain who kill his brother Abel because of jealousy.so dont think to much about this because it was on our blood still the human sin exist.I posted some link and think back from the old times that still in present day it happens.Anger and Jealousy.Specially on their own blood.Remember that from Adan and Eve all of the human was sinned.but thru blood of Jesus as the Firstborn Son he gave his Life in a specific people.But then still im telling you all its up to your believed. Dont waste the knowledge and talents that gave you all.We are Human not an Animals.We all know and believed all the people has its own believed and Faith in God but watch carefully the true life story on the bible.how they live and be a sinner.about the star it was use till today by Israel the beloved son and daughter of God.And Respect for our Ancestor Abraham,Isaac and Ishmael,Jacob and Esau,till to Joseph who has work for pharaoh for Israel,Tribe of Benjamin - King Saul, Paul the apostle [a.k.a. Saul of Tarsus],Tribe of Levi - Moses, Aaron,Tribe of Judah - King David, King Solomon, many other kings; Lord Jesus, the Messiah.

    Influenced:
    Many Jews, Christians and Muslims

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternity
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/bible_timeline.htm
    http://www.biblestudy101.org/Lists/12tribes.html

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  44. Nice topic.Anyways according to my research as you can see that in freemasonry there is no inverted triangle its a book or a bible.I think maybe im not idiot and dont have brain right?but still its up to you guys how you believed in this topic about the logo or sign etc.remember all of us came from one blood starting to Cain who kill his brother Abel because of jealousy.so dont think to much about this because it was on our blood still the human sin exist.I posted some link and think back from the old times that still in present day it happens.Anger and Jealousy.Specially on their own blood.Remember that from Adan and Eve all of the human was sinned.but thru blood of Jesus as the Firstborn Son he gave his Life in a specific people.But then still im telling you all its up to your believed. Dont waste the knowledge and talents that gave you all.We are Human not an Animals.We all know and believed all the people has its own believed and Faith in God but watch carefully the true life story on the bible.how they live and be a sinner.about the star it was use till today by Israel the beloved son and daughter of God.And Respect for our Ancestor Abraham,Isaac and Ishmael,Jacob and Esau,till to Joseph who has work for pharaoh for Israel,Tribe of Benjamin - King Saul, Paul the apostle [a.k.a. Saul of Tarsus],Tribe of Levi - Moses, Aaron,Tribe of Judah - King David, King Solomon, many other kings; Lord Jesus, the Messiah.

    Influenced:
    Many Jews, Christians and Muslims

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternity
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/bible_timeline.htm
    http://www.biblestudy101.org/Lists/12tribes.html

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    1. Seriously, Jayson David, fix your English first. You're giving me a headache!

      And Felix Manalo Ysagun is a damn Mason. Get that!

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  45. Nice topic.Anyways according to my research as you can see that in freemasonry there is no inverted triangle its a book or a bible.I think maybe im not idiot and dont have brain right?but still its up to you guys how you believed in this topic about the logo or sign etc.remember all of us came from one blood starting to Cain who kill his brother Abel because of jealousy.so dont think to much about this because it was on our blood still the human sin exist.I posted some link and think back from the old times that still in present day it happens.Anger and Jealousy.Specially on their own blood.Remember that from Adan and Eve all of the human was sinned.but thru blood of Jesus as the Firstborn Son he gave his Life in a specific people.But then still im telling you all its up to your believed. Dont waste the knowledge and talents that gave you all.We are Human not an Animals.We all know and believed all the people has its own believed and Faith in God but watch carefully the true life story on the bible.how they live and be a sinner.about the star it was use till today by Israel the beloved son and daughter of God.And Respect for our Ancestor Abraham,Isaac and Ishmael,Jacob and Esau,till to Joseph who has work for pharaoh for Israel,Tribe of Benjamin - King Saul, Paul the apostle [a.k.a. Saul of Tarsus],Tribe of Levi - Moses, Aaron,Tribe of Judah - King David, King Solomon, many other kings; Lord Jesus, the Messiah.

    Influenced:
    Many Jews, Christians and Muslims

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternity
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/bible_timeline.htm
    http://www.biblestudy101.org/Lists/12tribes.html

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  46. Nice topic.Anyways according to my research as you can see that in freemasonry there is no inverted triangle its a book or a bible.I think maybe im not idiot and dont have brain right?but still its up to you guys how you believed in this topic about the logo or sign etc.remember all of us came from one blood starting to Cain who kill his brother Abel because of jealousy.so dont think to much about this because it was on our blood still the human sin exist.I posted some link and think back from the old times that still in present day it happens.Anger and Jealousy.Specially on their own blood.Remember that from Adan and Eve all of the human was sinned.but thru blood of Jesus as the Firstborn Son he gave his Life in a specific people.But then still im telling you all its up to your believed. Dont waste the knowledge and talents that gave you all.

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    1. What's your point in us coming from one blood? And if you didn't see an inverted triangle in the freemasonry logo, you haven't done a good research. Try again.

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  47. Nice topic.Anyways according to my research as you can see that in freemasonry there is no inverted triangle its a book or a bible.I think maybe im not idiot and dont have brain right?but still its up to you guys how you believed in this topic about the logo or sign etc.remember all of us came from one blood starting to Cain who kill his brother Abel because of jealousy.so dont think to much about this because it was on our blood still the human sin exist.

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  48. Nice topic.Anyways according to my research as you can see that in freemasonry there is no inverted triangle its a book or a bible.I think maybe im not idiot and dont have brain right?but still its up to you guys how you believed in this topic about the logo or sign etc.remember all of us came from one blood starting to Cain who kill his brother Abel because of jealousy.so dont think to much about this because it was on our blood still the human sin exist.

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    1. Try researching harder. The inverted pyramid is part of Masonic symbolism.

      And ask your friendly neighbor INC what the logo means. I bet you. He won't be able to know what the hell that logo means.

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  49. yup get it.im sorry your an angel of God and im sorry im not perfectionist like you.God Bless and your family.Im just saying my opinion.may the God be with you.

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  50. The Pinoy Catholic, are you asking for Freemason's charity work? You got a lot to learn then, or you're just simply blind or a fool to see? Look no further than the Masonic charitable handicap hospitals for the children operated by Masonic Shriners and which by the way have a billion dollar budget per year; and are you accusing the great Masons of the past as devil (lucifer) worshipers? (I'm a Mason and I purposely didn't capitalized lucifer's name as I don't consider him as a supreme being), such as Jose Rizal, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Emilio Aguinaldo just to name a few, you are over analizing the symbols that are provided...Mansonry is nothing but a Fraternity of Men that believes in God...You are not a Mason and therefore you will never understand our beliefs, in fact Masonry is just the opposite of what you are saying, one of the pre requisites of being a Mason is to believe in God but Masonry is not a religion but certainly is religious, we are God fearing men, Manalo may or may not have derived the INC symbols Fremansonry but that doesn't mean anything about the Masonic fraternity. Do you understand the word Fraternity? Masonry is just that...

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  51. Although I'm familiar with the symbol of the INC, it was just now that I realized that they have a lamb on it. I thought they did not permit any "graven" images or icons?

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  52. IS this true? This is the first time I read about Manalo as a freemason, This is a good article. Thank you for this

    http://iydnk.blogspot.com/

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  53. He felix manalo is also an 7th day adventist and an atheist he was banned from the 7th day adventist because he COMMITED ALLEGED ADULTERY it is still ADULTERY SO IT IS A SIN TO GOD
    he is not faithful to his religion so he might maked up his own religion and how come he became an angel when he comitted adultery and immorality ?

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    1. Felix Manalo founder of the Iglesia Ni Cristo lied when he declared himself an angel and the last messenger of God. Here are the reasons why:
      • baptized a Catholic - learned the fundamentals of the Roman Catholic faith.
      • became a follower of the ''Colorum'' spiriting sect in the Philippines
      • joined the Methodist Episcopalian Church, attended their Seminary and became a pastor.
      • began studying at the Presbyterian Bible School
      • came upon the Christian Mission group (Church of Christ), studied at the Manila College of the Bible for four years. received the idea of restoring the New Testament Church.
      • became a local evangelist in "Society for the propagation of the Gospel.
      • left the Christian Mission group converting to Seventh Day Adventism where he began to think of starting his own church.
      • Left Seventh Day Adventists, claimed to experience a call like the ancient prophets.
      • Closed himself in with his Bible for three days and began his mission to start a new church.
      • His study of religions and the Bible led him to conclusion that none of the existing churches then remained faithful with the biblical truth – that none of them is the true religion.
      • Like many others before him he has fallen into the trap since none are perfect by his own judgment he is to restore the true church.
      • In 1913 started his own group incorporated in 1914.
      • Brother Felix wandered into different religions always examining, in the light of scriptural truth, their various doctrines and religious practices"
      • in 1919 Manalo left the Philippines to learn more about religion to America, to study with Protestants, whom Iglesia later declare to be apostates. It is for this reason they do not disclose this information.
      • In California enrolled in the Pacific School of Religion.
      • Five years after being called by God to be his "last messenger???" he goes to the U.S. to learn from apostates? This does not make sense.
      • What could God's messenger learn from a group that, according to Iglesia, had departed from the true faith?
      • Manalo did not believe himself to be God's final messenger back in 1914. He didn't use the last messenger doctrine until 1922.
      • Another factor of his adopting the messenger doctrine is in response to a schism in the Iglesia movement. Manalo appears to have developed the messenger doctrine in an effort to maintain and re-assert his leadership in the church thereby keeping control.
      • In the early days Manalo did not attack the deity of Christ.
      • After 1930 began to deny his pre-existence, his being the beginning in purpose with God.
      • Erano Manalo wrote a 64 page booklet attacking the Deity of Christ called Christ-God.
      • began systematic campaign of attacking the Church and her doctrines he held from the apostles.
      • they attack by writing in their publications and public pronouncements, but when someone challenges their beliefs they are labeled as attackers of God's (new) Church and considered unworthy to be noticed.
      • They continue to have a strong hold on their members and have no intention of reforming to become orthodox.
      Ref: http://www.letusreason.org/Iglesia2.htm

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  54. Iglesia ni Cristo per se is not a religion. It's a sect/cult.

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    1. Its not a religion according to you...and Who are you...You havent met Him.

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  55. Felix Manalo founder of the Iglesia Ni Cristo
    • baptized a Catholic - learned the fundamentals of the Roman Catholic faith.
    • became a follower of the ''Colorum'' spiriting sect in the Philippines
    • joined the Methodist Episcopalian Church, attended their Seminary and became a pastor.
    • began studying at the Presbyterian Bible School
    • came upon the Christian Mission group (Church of Christ), studied at the Manila College of the Bible for four years. received the idea of restoring the New Testament Church.
    • became a local evangelist in "Society for the propagation of the Gospel.
    • left the Christian Mission group converting to Seventh Day Adventism where he began to think of starting his own church.
    • Left Seventh Day Adventists, claimed to experience a call like the ancient prophets.
    • Closed himself in with his Bible for three days and began his mission to start a new church.
    • His study of religions and the Bible led him to conclusion that none of the existing churches then remained faithful with the biblical truth – that none of them is the true religion.
    • Like many others before him he has fallen into the trap since none are perfect by his own judgment he is to restore the true church.
    • In 1913 started his own group incorporated in 1914.
    • Brother Felix wandered into different religions always examining, in the light of scriptural truth, their various doctrines and religious practices"
    • in 1919 Manalo left the Philippines to learn more about religion to America, to study with Protestants, whom Iglesia later declare to be apostates. It is for this reason they do not disclose this information.
    • In California enrolled in the Pacific School of Religion.
    • Five years after being called by God to be his "last messenger???" he goes to the U.S. to learn from apostates? This does not make sense.
    • What could God's messenger learn from a group that, according to Iglesia, had departed from the true faith?
    • Manalo did not believe himself to be God's final messenger back in 1914. He didn't use the last messenger doctrine until 1922.
    • Another factor of his adopting the messenger doctrine is in response to a schism in the Iglesia movement. Manalo appears to have developed the messenger doctrine in an effort to maintain and re-assert his leadership in the church thereby keeping control.
    • In the early days Manalo did not attack the deity of Christ.
    • After 1930 began to deny his pre-existence, his being the beginning in purpose with God.
    • Erano Manalo wrote a 64 page booklet attacking the Deity of Christ called Christ-God.
    • began systematic campaign of attacking the Church and her doctrines he held from the apostles.
    • they attack by writing in their publications and public pronouncements, but when someone challenges their beliefs they are labeled as attackers of God's (new) Church and considered unworthy to be noticed.
    • They continue to have a strong hold on their members and have no intention of reforming to become orthodox.

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  56. Felix Manalo founder of the Iglesia Ni Cristo
    • baptized a Catholic - learned the fundamentals of the Roman Catholic faith.
    • became a follower of the ''Colorum'' spiriting sect in the Philippines
    • joined the Methodist Episcopalian Church, attended their Seminary and became a pastor.
    • began studying at the Presbyterian Bible School
    • came upon the Christian Mission group (Church of Christ), studied at the Manila College of the Bible for four years. received the idea of restoring the New Testament Church.
    • became a local evangelist in "Society for the propagation of the Gospel.
    • left the Christian Mission group converting to Seventh Day Adventism where he began to think of starting his own church.
    • Left Seventh Day Adventists, claimed to experience a call like the ancient prophets.
    • Closed himself in with his Bible for three days and began his mission to start a new church.
    • His study of religions and the Bible led him to conclusion that none of the existing churches then remained faithful with the biblical truth – that none of them is the true religion.
    • Like many others before him he has fallen into the trap since none are perfect by his own judgment he is to restore the true church.
    • In 1913 started his own group incorporated in 1914.
    • Brother Felix wandered into different religions always examining, in the light of scriptural truth, their various doctrines and religious practices"
    • in 1919 Manalo left the Philippines to learn more about religion to America, to study with Protestants, whom Iglesia later declare to be apostates. It is for this reason they do not disclose this information.
    • In California enrolled in the Pacific School of Religion.
    • Five years after being called by God to be his "last messenger???" he goes to the U.S. to learn from apostates? This does not make sense.
    • What could God's messenger learn from a group that, according to Iglesia, had departed from the true faith?
    • Manalo did not believe himself to be God's final messenger back in 1914. He didn't use the last messenger doctrine until 1922.
    • Another factor of his adopting the messenger doctrine is in response to a schism in the Iglesia movement. Manalo appears to have developed the messenger doctrine in an effort to maintain and re-assert his leadership in the church thereby keeping control.
    • In the early days Manalo did not attack the deity of Christ.
    • After 1930 began to deny his pre-existence, his being the beginning in purpose with God.
    • Erano Manalo wrote a 64 page booklet attacking the Deity of Christ called Christ-God.
    • began systematic campaign of attacking the Church and her doctrines he held from the apostles.
    • they attack by writing in their publications and public pronouncements, but when someone challenges their beliefs they are labeled as attackers of God's (new) Church and considered unworthy to be noticed.
    • They continue to have a strong hold on their members and have no intention of reforming to become orthodox.
    This is true brief insight of how INC started...ref: http://www.letusreason.org/Iglesia2.htm

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  57. woa i think this going to far well im an INC... Im not even acusing your religion but can you give some thought before you acuse our religion... if we are like what you are thinking then let me ask you.. did you even see with your own eyes, did you really listen in our bible studies... before you have to say something about that... would you mind not posting like this because for us were not announcing over wide youre religion and you do you have to say those things towards us... we are also humans like you and what you say that we made our bible then tell me.. why do we have the same bible studies??? tsk tsk....see people.. its not about who or what religion is perfect because all of us we do crimes that we dont know... were not perfect, because we are just human beings... and we put our trust and we only pray to one GOD.... by that do we have to acuse off which religion that is perfect ..??? the answer is NO... just I said we put our faith in One God.. so stop acusing our religion... and did we broad cast youre religion in world wide?? did we acuse you on anything did we even insult your logo or something.... im just telling you about the INC bEING A freemason... PLS. BEFORE YOU INSULT our religion... you better see and hear our side before you say soamething like that..... and yeah im not going to fight but I'll just tell you debating like this with our religion (even though i did it also, is just like insulting one of our members in our Religions,.... im just telling to mind youre own well mind ours so... pls. stop this because for us its like an harrassment if Ka Felix Manalo is being insulted... what else then he is only a human being, hes not a God.. only those believe he is an angel who descended from earth well particularly No... he is just one of the Sugo ng Diyos... not an angel... thats why understand because not only our religion you are INSULTING BUT ALL THE MEMBERS THAT ARE INC as well

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  58. Kayo talagang mga miyembro ng kulto ni Eli Soriano, maingay lang kayo sa internet...bakit hindi ninyo tirahin si Quiboloy at Feriol, dahil hindi ba sila threat sa inyo?

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  59. Morning!!!

    This is so trivial guys. :) But I must say, it is interesting to know how a person

    declares an unverified conclusion. Tsk... tsk... Legally it is risky.

    About the logo, Quebec has a fleur-de-lys in a their flag, but it does not mean that the

    province was founded by a boyscout, right? INC ministers understand the meaning of our

    logo by heart. Please ask them first. :)

    About INC having its own bible version. sEth is correct INC doesn't have one. May we know

    where where you got that info? Kasi maling info po iyon. :)

    FYI, we even use the 'Magandang Balita Biblia' version which is actually sponsored by the

    Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines. We just don't use the Deuterocanonical

    books.

    For all your other concerns and question, guys please visit an INC locale nearest you.

    Don't worry we don't bite. :)

    BTW, I just recently joined INC. Like TPC. I was a devout catholic before until I learned

    that the picture of Jesus I had in my wallet was actually "Pietro Bandinelli", the same

    model Da Vinci used for Judas - a prisoner

    (http://www.catholicjournal.us/2012/09/11/dont-you-remember-me/). Right now, I don't

    really like to know if it a true or not because just the same, it still would have been

    another man.

    As a former Augustinian catholic, I was taught that man is not capable of comprehending

    the mystery of the holy trinity. That's why I really thank INC because they demystified

    the anonimity of the so-called "trinity". It's not after all incomprehensible.

    And I discovered more... And I am so happy.

    Have a nice day!!!

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    1. I'm glad you are happy, jules…

      As for the Quebec flag's fleur de lys, indeed it does not mean that it was founded by a boy scout. One similarity may not mean much--- but that is not the case between the freemasonry and INC logos.

      Too bad Jesus' face that you had in your wallet could have been used as Judas'… That does not mean the real Jesus is not a real God, though. Whose-face-is-it is another triviality. Pretty interesting, but hardly faith-shattering if you really know your faith.

      Too bad your Augustinian teachers/friends were not able to make you understand the concept of the trinity. As for me, I enjoy basking in its mystery--it is such a joy to know that my faculties as a human being are limited, and that there is a presence, God, who is infinitely greater than I and who loves me with a love I will never be able to fully understand.

      God bless you!

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  62. What is the significance of being a 22nd degree Mason? I know few things about Masonry. What if Felix Manalo were a member of the Masons? Would this reflect negatively on him? Isn't the dove a common symbol even in Catholic Churches because the dove represents the Holy Spirit. The compass and the weighing scales are also common symbols of justice. The lamb is also a common symbol of Christ. The Catholic Church even has a song about that, Cordero ng Dios.

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