Tuesday, October 30, 2012

Traditionalist or not traditionalist?

Was THAT bishop a sede vacantist and less of a traditionalist too for being too attached to the Traditional Mass?


He is sitting on the SEDE.


I just had to comment.

My email was flooded because of this.

TPC readers wanted me to react on this one.

Nothing personal.


Those faithful who are inclined with the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, also known as Tridentine Rite, are few of the members of the Roman Church [there was an actual head count?  Or is it few just because only the few knows about the Extraordinary Form?] that our Holy Mother, the Mystical Body of Christ, embraces. However not all of them respect and obey the Holy Father[Huh?]

It is widely rampant that some of these faithful, especially those who are active, secretly deny the validity and sanctity of the Second Vatican Council (Vatican II). [He must know some of them.  But I personally heard one who thinks he is more Catholic than the Pope.  Yup, more like a Williamson type.]  I heard, and I was well informed by those who knew them, that they still go against the teachings of the Sacred Council and calls the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite invalid. [most likely sede vacantists!] Who are they to call the Mass invalid? It is very clear that the Holy Father, in his motu propio “Summorum Pontificum,” highlighted that the two forms of the Eucharistic Celebration are valid and are equal of dignity – that these two forms of the Roman Rite are rooted in the Tradition (with a capital letter “T”) of the Church. We have only one rite in two forms, and I myself highly appreciate the richness of both forms of one Roman Rite [I would be more discreet in using the adjective richness for the Novus Ordo.]

The Pope, on the accompanying letter for the said motu propio, already clarified the confusions made by so-called traditionalists (with small letter “t”) that Vatican II never abrogated the Extraordinary Form (notice that I use the official term given by the Holy Father). [The traditionalists are claiming that Vatican II never abrogated the Extraordinary Form?  Or was it Cardinal Ratzinger and the other cardinals with him who advised John Paul II that it was so.]

Efforts to reconcile the Society of Saint Pius X are being made. [Whoa!  Quick jump here!] As a vibrant sign of their desire to unite with the Holy See, they recently expelled Bishop Richard Williamson from the fraternity because of his disobedience and disrespect toward his superiors. Some breakaway groups from the said society are building means to unite themselves to Rome and, as like the Father in the parable of the prodigal son, they are received with love and affection, with respect and care. We need to pray more for reconciliation within the Roman Catholic Church.  [This I agree.  This is the true essence of ecumenism, not like how some liturgist, like the famous one, would make the Mass, the Ordinary Form, look more like a Protestant Mass with too much INCULTURATION.]

For those who call themselves ‘traditionalist’ Catholics, when will they reconcile their thoughts, words, actions and feelings to the Roman Church? [Are all traditionalists like this?  I don't think so.]  How come they go against the Church’s teachings and the Holy Father’s move towards unity and reconciliation? [Huh?] We are celebrating the Year of Faith to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the opening of Vatican II. Yet they disregard to grab the blessed moment to open their hearts and minds to know the teachings – the REAL TEACHINGS - and to enrich their faith. [Wasn't it because of the confusion made my those who made their own interpretation of the so-called Spirit of Vatican II that the Year of Faith was called in the first place?  Wasn't it because of the confusion in how the liturgical reform should have been done that the Holy Father has called on the Synod and to discuss other confusions for that matter?] Isn’t it that by doing such acts and holding on to such biased principles, in a sense, being ‘Protestant’ or “Schismatic” - denying the Pope and the Church teachings?

I wish to re-echo the words of Pope Benedict XVI, which he sent to bishops about the motu propio, which I now address to the ‘traditionalist’ Catholics:

“It is true that there have been exaggerations and at times social aspects unduly linked to the attitude of the faithful attached to the ancient Latin liturgical tradition. Your charity and pastoral prudence will be an incentive and guide for improving these.” (Emphasis added)  [I think this reminder of the Holy Father is more applicable to those who think traditionalists are automatically denying the validity of the Mass of Paul VI and think they are schismatics too.]

Dear friends, “traditionalism” is not measured on how you worship and what you personally believe. Rather, true traditionalism is measured on how you show fidelity and love to God, through Christ in His Church through His Vicar here on earth, and with your unity in faith with the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.


Uhm... if that were the definition of traditionalism....then those looney Wiccan dancers of St. Vincent School of Theology, Maryhill School of Theology and Euntes of Zamboanga are......uhm....traditionalists?!?  Isn't traditionalism a way to describe those who are particularly attached to the TRADITIONAL practices of the Church which disastrously were almost lost to oblivion thanks to the interpretation of Vatican II of those who "show fidelity and love to [sic] God, through Christ in His Church through His Vicar here on earth, and with your unity in faith with the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church."

Even those who do the most tragic things during the Mass, dancing, clowns, powerpoints, wise crack jokes...they all show fidelity and love of God.  But does it make them traditional?

Will you call Cardinal Mahony and his dissent fest Religious Education Humbug a traditionalist just because they love God?

I consider myself a traditionalist.  But I do not consider the Novus Ordo or the Ordinary Form invalid.   In fact, I love the Novus Ordo especially if it were celebrated in Latin and Ad orientem.  Yes, a priest regularly celebrates it and I ATTEND IT.

Traditionalism is measured in how you love the Church, all about Her...past, present and future.

Take that Mad Man from Davao!

I love the Novus Ordo just as I love the TLM.  I have said this many times before.  Does that make me less of a traditionalist or not a traditionalist anymore?

To the wackos who parade around wearing their made up cassocks or habits or clerical tabs, or what I call "Knights of Williamson", just associating yourself with the Novus Ordo makes you a heretic.

To the self-proclaimed and self-ordained, just-had-a-seminar-with-Fr. Anscar Chupungco, they think they are more qualified about the liturgy and about Vatican II than even the Pope himself...they think others don't have the right to comment about the liturgy.

Quite frankly, academic degrees mean nothing in the Church except about Canon Law and Licentiate in Theology.

Holy Orders do.

So to the dean of San Beda School of Liturgy, you can brag about your doctorate woman!  But you still are not ordained.

So shut up!


  1. In fact, I love the Novus Ordo especially if it were celebrated in Latin and Ad orientem. Yes, a priest regularly celebrates it and I ATTEND IT.

    -> Where is the church and who is the priest who celebrates Novus Ordo in Latin and Ad Deum? Please post it here and I'll try to attend one of these days.

  2. Actually, all of the public masses celebrated by pope benedict the xvi has been the novus ordo -- unlike what you have been trying to incorrectly insinuate.

    1Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm and said:

    2 Who is this who darkens counsel

    with words of ignorance?

    3 Gird up your loins now, like a man;

    I will question you, and you tell me the answers!

    “then he looked up to heaven and groaned, and said to him, “Ephphatha!” (that is, “Be opened!”)”

    1. One more stupid comment like this and you'll be banned forever. I know your IP address.