Friday, June 8, 2012

Because Vatican II is not a Dogmatic Council!

From the Catholic Herald


The leader of the traditionalist Society of St Pius X has said talks with the Vatican demonstrate that “Rome no longer makes total acceptance” of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council a condition for his group’s full reconciliation with the Church.

Accepting the Council’s teaching is no longer “a prerequisite for the canonical solution” of the status of the society, according to Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the SSPX.  [Which keeps the heads of the liberals on a tailspin!  hahaha]

In an interview published today on the society’s news site,, Bishop Fellay said it was the Vatican that approached the society, and not the society that went to the Vatican, asking to begin the talks[Because that is what a true shepherd does.  He goes out of his way to bring back the lost sheep.  As Fr. Z calls him, Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope of Christian Unity!  Unlike other bishops who ostracize their own flock just because they either: show devotion to the Latin Tridentine Mass or would want Communion on the tongue either standing or kneeling, or support traditional groups like Opus Dei]

“So the attitude of the official Church is what changed; we did not,” he said. “We were not the ones who asked for an agreement; the Pope is the one who wants to recognise us.”  [Because the Pope has shown his genuine concern for the group right back in 1988 when he, then Cardinal-Prefect of the CDF was in direct contact with the Society's founder itself.]

In 2009, Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications that had been incurred by Bishop Fellay and other SSPX bishops when they were ordained without papal permission 11 years earlier. [If the three other bishops of the SSPX continue their "more-Catholic-than-thou" attitude, expect that excommunication to get back at them!]  Also in 2009, the Pope established a Vatican committee to hold doctrinal talks with society representatives.

In September 2011, the Vatican gave Bishop Fellay a “doctrinal preamble” outlining “some doctrinal principles and criteria for the interpretation of Catholic doctrine necessary to guarantee fidelity” to the formal teaching of the Church. Neither the Vatican nor the SSPX has made the text public, but the Vatican said it leaves room for “legitimate discussion” about “individual expressions or formulations present in the documents of the Second Vatican Council and the successive magisterium” of the Church.

Bishop Fellay submitted his first response to the document in March, but the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, with the approval of Pope Benedict, defined it as “insufficient”. The bishop gave the Vatican his second response in April and, as of June 7, it was still under study at the Vatican.

In the interview on the SSPX website, Bishop Fellay said: “We are still not in agreement doctrinally, and yet the Pope wants to recognise us. Why? The answer is right in front of us: there are terribly important problems in the Church today.”  [Hey!  The theologians at Belgium and here at MST, SVST, Euntes are not in agreement doctrinally yet they are in GOOD STANDING with the Church?!?!  Goodness me!]

The reconciliation talks, he said, are a sign that the Catholic Church has begun to recognise it needs to recover traditions and traditional teaching eclipsed by the Second Vatican Council. If the SSPX were to reconcile fully with the Church, Bishop Fellay said, its members would continue to denounce “doctrinal difficulties” in the Church, but would do so while also providing “tangible signs of the vitality of tradition” in its growing membership and vocation rate[Doctrinal difficulties, hmmm... Leaves a lot of room for interpretations from both ends of the theological spectrum, eh?]

Speaking to members of the SSPX who are wary of reconciliation, Bishop Fellay said “one of the great dangers is to end up inventing an idea of the Church that appears ideal, but is in fact not found in the real history of the Church”.

Some claim that in order to work ‘safely’ in the Church, she must first be cleansed of all error. This is what they say when they declare that Rome must convert before any agreement, or that its errors must first be suppressed so that we can work,” he said.

But the reality of the Church’s history shows that “often, and almost always, we see that there are widespread errors” and that God calls holy men and women to work within the Church to correct the errors, Bishop Fellay said.

We are being asked to come and work just as all the reforming saints of all times did,” he said. [Wonderfully said!]

Bishop Fellay said he did not have a timetable for the conclusion of the talks. “There are even some who say that the Pope will deal with this matter at [the papal summer villa in] Castel Gandolfo in July.”


Some say it is a done deal but that the announcement is just being delayed.

But these are all conjectures and we still have to wait the official announcement from the Holy See.

As I have said time and again...

The true aim of ecumenism is to bring back the lost sheep into the one fold of Jesus Christ.   The brand of ecumenism we had right after Vatican II is to make the Catholic Church more like ALL of the religions of the world.

That is why you have dancers at Mass which was never a part of Catholic heritage....

Communion in the Hand....

Nature or Eco-friendly liturgy....

Priests and Nuns fighting to save the planet instead of our immortal souls...

Thank the Lord for Pope Benedict XVI.

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